Nexon Account Suspension Explanations

[Marck]

Quote from -Hime- on Nexon forums.

"Account Suspension

 

There are many reasons for account suspension. To find out the reason why your account was banned, try logging onto Mabinogi. Once you have entered you login and password, you will be prompted with a window containing a short description. I will explain the descriptions.

 

    * Your account has been blocked for hacking or illegal use of third-party programs.

This means your account has been caught cheating while playing our game.

 

    * Your account has been blocked for illicit promotion and advertising.

Advertising any website is not allowed and thus your account has been suspended appropriately.  This may also include Ad spamming.

 

    * Your account has been blocked for harassment.

Your account was reported for harassing other players.  Our investigation has concluded this to be true.  Harassment is a violation of our rules and will not be tolerated.

 

    * Your account has been blocked for using profane language.

This is a result from bypassing the curse filter and/or not adhering to GMs warnings on cursing.

 

    * Your account has been blocked for misconduct.

Misconduct can included a lot of reasons for account suspension -inappropriate name, racism, harassment,

spamming, selling/trading accounts, selling/trading NX cash etc.

 

    * Your account has been blocked for scamming.

You have been caught trying to promote scams or other scam games."

[Statenisland]

Nice Find.

[Thrudd]

Just a word of warning - according to the new TOS - they can go into your comp and look at anything and everything there to do with as they wish - all in the name of fighting botters and such mind you.

How many actual botters are there out there - I would hazard to guess by looking at the number of different swarms differentiated by their styles. The spammers and their sites are more numerous than the actual number of bot swarms.
I would hazard to guess 2 or 3. It would make a great cash maker for nexon if they just logged and hunted them down and just back charged them based on the new TOS. My guess is they are too lazy and scared of the Chinese mafia.. er .. Government ...and will take the easy way out and Lawyer the kids through their parents to extort some $$$ just like the RIAA does. 

But yeah - lets keep our mods in stealth mode as best we can.  Love the Game - Despise NEXON.....

[Alexzander]

that is very true because 1 they are not sure of the exact location of the install 2 they would have to do a totle scan of you nexon folder which almost virus protection would pick up 3rd they cant scan all the files on your computer without breaking privacy laws and im pretty sure that anyone who knows about law know this and the fact of devcats lawers would warn them of the potainle law suite

[Ruthless]

but i thought it said they had rights to go into your comp with the new tos people who signed up before doesnt count =o

[Thrudd]

1 - The new TOS is retroactive, just like the gems from your ISP. They were actually nice enough to say they made changes to the TOS, they just didn't point out what they were.

2 - people you are assuming they have to know where you and your comp are and that your AV will pick it up and save your @$$..  Does anybody remember SONY and their root kit?

Anyhow... you have mabi installed then all that needs to be done (lazy fashion) is add some extra code to allow remote access to your system during the next update.  That means your encryption code is worth didly squat since you give permision for the update to install. They then can scan whatever system you are using at the time at their leisure. This is not science fiction here folks.  You give NEXON clearance to run a program on your comp and a program will run, just not exactly what you wanted running, but hey, you gave blanket permission when you installed the stuff.

The question really is when will they do it? How will they do it? Will any of the code monkeys anywhere catch them when they do it?  Will they get caught before people get banned or will they just set some bots to data mine everyones comps for marketing purposes. (you all did read that little bit about automatic fines didn't you?)

Lastly, about privacy laws and their lawyers warning them,....all I can say is RIAA and MPIAA ... and Googles TOS update before they retracted it ..... nuff said

[adam]

"If I do this during updates and patches, no harm done"

You're right.

Also no data will be modified, so, you'll never play mabi again.
He was saying when it updates btw, not the exact instant an update becomes available. It doesn't auto update.

He was also pointing out, IMO, that they could just scan the folder when mabi opens up. Let me point out Grand Chase, which scans its folder for file changes (even MP3).
Yes, you can slip the modified files in after that, but, TBH, too much hassle, considering I only use the basic mod to get the data folder, see maps and CP.

I could live without those.
I'd emo a little at not seeing the power levels of nubs telling me they're better than me though.

[adam]

...

It would scan the folder it is in...

asdg:/Nexon/Mabinogi would be what it would scan if that is the version you ran.

Does ANY scanner work by scanning the default location? ._.

[LameScorpio]

  lol no TOS would allow a company to scan your computer.  An installer could scan its integrity, in the case of MMO do integrity scans on itself any time you login would be legal.  What that means it could scan the .dll for example find that does not match what should be and take action.  Scanning the entire Mabinogi folder would not only be unnecessary, but would be a illegal. Silly as it may be for example someone might have personal data in that directory.  There is no way for a company to insure that a folder is used explicitly for their own software.

So idk where you get the idea the new TOS would allow Nexon to go into your computer and look at anything.  Not even a system admin has those rights and I know used to be a system admin.
Anyway this what their actual TOS says
2.4     Hardware and Software Access. You hereby acknowledge that:
2.4.1    The Company has the right to obtain, without notification to you, certain information about your computer or software, including, but not limited to, your operating system, identification of your hard drives, central processing unit, IP address, and Internet browser for purposes of identification.
2.4.2    The Company has the right to obtain, without notification to you, non-personal information from your connection to the Service or Site for demographic purposes.
2.4.3    The Company has the right to obtain, without notification to you, information from your computer, software, and parts or portions thereof, including, without limitation, your computer's random access memory, video card, central processing unit, hard drive(s) and any other storage devices to assist our efforts in policing users who may develop and/or use "hacks" and/or "cheats" to gain advantage over other users. The information obtained in this Section will only be used for the purpose of identifying persons or entities not in compliance or believed by the Company to not be in compliance with this Agreement and any and all other Company rules, policies, notices and/or agreements.

The problem, this is all boilerplate, so this what Nexon really means.

-Translation
2.4.1
Nexon can compile date on your system hardware to make a hardware ID... very useful in banning someone with dynamic IP's which, is like everyone in the united states.
2.4.2
kinda explains its self, all it means is we look at everyones IP make fancy chart and look at where our market is.
2.4.3
We  have the right to scan our own software in either passive or active memory on any storage medium.  In addition any software that hooks into our software in violation of section 2.2 .

[LameScorpio]

yeah your right Marck, all I was saying is that they could scan and find IJL patch... would they ban you for it... probably not.  Even though in section 2.2 same boilerplate agreement you get with any software that modifying any part of the software is against TOS.  However no one using mods is backwards engineering the game for financial gain or to attempt making their own private server, so would Nexon come knocking on your door seeking a lawsuit... nope.  Ban your accounts, nope... unless they feel a mod drastically changes gameplay and effects their ability to make money.  It is a business after all, they need money, but if a large number of people in the community started -Censored- about other people having mods, well that is a problem. 

[adam]

CP mod would never be done by Nexon, it just promotes elitism.
YOU ALL KNOW IT DOES. Don't even TRY to say you don't compare yours to other people's. >.>

And, Marck?

"Adam D< You don't get what I mean, I'm talking about keeping the USB out when it updates or "scans" so it can't find anything wrong. Then, once done, put back in, manually move .pack file to Modded USB, wala, easy."

If they ever DID do scans of the directory, then, it would just do it when the launcher runs.
Download, install and run Grand Chase for reference.

It WILL scan the folder that the launcher is in, your Mods WILL be found, should they do that.
It won't JUST scan on updates, it will compare the files to the server.

I did say, GC even checks the MP3 folder, if you install their game, you clearly agree that it's okay for them to look at that entire folder and all subdirectories.
Nexon can just say the same.


Also, be rational people. If they did this to us, don't you think they'd have done this the OTHER countries by now?
Grand Chase is mostly client side, so, they HAVE to be paranoid (I Engined my way to having all/most of the characters) Mabi is viciously server side (rubber banding anyone? Smash lag perhaps?)

Considering KR and Chinese players have Finishing programs for tailoring and smithy, I think they don't care a tremendous amount about modders.

[Blaze]

the tos was just made to protect nexon comany. they don't need to force the rules and they dont really care about mods let you see map,longer phx feathe rez, etc.

[Chris]

By scanning they MEANT hackshield. Hackshield scans your computer if you didn't know, go to the files and open any .exe, it knows your computer system down to installations.

[R.I.P./JACOB/PRUDEN]

you know i happen to think that if nexon/devcat wanted to get into your comp they could and yes i do agree that they would be violating their terms of agreement and yes you could sue them but you have to think about what you are doing wrong also they could sue us as well

[Archie]

you know i happen to think that if nexon/devcat wanted to get into your comp they could and yes i do agree that they would be violating their terms of agreement and yes you could sue them but you have to think about what you are doing wrong also they could sue us as well

1. spell correctly
2. use proper grammer

and if they did they could get their sued to the ground.

[The Proffessor]

you know i happen to think that if nexon/devcat wanted to get into your comp they could and yes i do agree that they would be violating their terms of agreement and yes you could sue them but you have to think about what you are doing wrong also they could sue us as well

1. spell correctly
2. use proper grammer

and if they did they could get their sued to the ground.

3. Please don't ubernecro...this thread's over 3 months old...

[Archie]

you know i happen to think that if nexon/devcat wanted to get into your comp they could and yes i do agree that they would be violating their terms of agreement and yes you could sue them but you have to think about what you are doing wrong also they could sue us as well

1. spell correctly
2. use proper grammer

and if they did they could get their sued to the ground.

3. Please don't ubernecro...this thread's over 3 months old...

dont quote me, quote him >.>

[The Proffessor]

you know i happen to think that if nexon/devcat wanted to get into your comp they could and yes i do agree that they would be violating their terms of agreement and yes you could sue them but you have to think about what you are doing wrong also they could sue us as well

1. spell correctly
2. use proper grammer

and if they did they could get their sued to the ground.

3. Please don't ubernecro...this thread's over 3 months old...

dont quote me, quote him >.>

I was quoting him... lol. I was quoting you to add to what you were saying by quoting him. Perhaps I should have put "To add to this:"... 

[rinaek]

CP mod would never be done by Nexon, it just promotes elitism.
YOU ALL KNOW IT DOES. Don't even TRY to say you don't compare yours to other people's. >.>

And, Marck?

"Adam D< You don't get what I mean, I'm talking about keeping the USB out when it updates or "scans" so it can't find anything wrong. Then, once done, put back in, manually move .pack file to Modded USB, wala, easy."

If they ever DID do scans of the directory, then, it would just do it when the launcher runs.
Download, install and run Grand Chase for reference.

It WILL scan the folder that the launcher is in, your Mods WILL be found, should they do that.
It won't JUST scan on updates, it will compare the files to the server.

I did say, GC even checks the MP3 folder, if you install their game, you clearly agree that it's okay for them to look at that entire folder and all subdirectories.
Nexon can just say the same.


Also, be rational people. If they did this to us, don't you think they'd have done this the OTHER countries by now?
Grand Chase is mostly client side, so, they HAVE to be paranoid (I Engined my way to having all/most of the characters) Mabi is viciously server side (rubber banding anyone? Smash lag perhaps?)

Considering KR and Chinese players have Finishing programs for tailoring and smithy, I think they don't care a tremendous amount about modders.

My Documents/Mabinogi/Report Error/launcher_log.txt

It scans, all right.

[Fat Orange]

* Your account has been blocked for harassment.

Your account was reported for harassing other players.  Our investigation has concluded this to be true.  Harassment is a violation of our rules and will not be tolerated.

Harassment can be anything,including bragging about your mods,as you are making them feel bad
Not sure if this is necro,but it does have useful info

[Marck]

It's alright, it's not so strongly enforced in the Rules board, since people need to read this stuff.

[Darkboy132]

Q: Since were modding, how are we going to avoid getting banned?

[Istiku]

just don't yell that you mod and nexon will pretty much remain clueless
and even if they do know you mod, they wont do anything

[Darkboy132]

Kay but...
Isn't stuff like the Fossil Macro bannable?

[Istiku]

yes it is,
however its nearly impossible for peopel to tell unless you tell them
and like I said, even if they knew, they ain't gon'a do crap about

trust me, if modding was easy for Nexon to detect and act upon, people wouldn't do it
I mean... look at all the gold spammers, and farmers out there, they are still out there despite Nexon's efforts to get rid of them