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[destindfate2]

Hmmm guess it's not that then, I had one friend last night running latest abyss and wasn't getting NGS even after cc/recognised and then discovered this morning that a different friend left me a message saying that was the issue so I put 2 and 2 together but I guess it runs deeper.

My friend not getting NGSd with abyss after CC would suggest particular config options trigger it, but that's not been how abyss gets detected in the past, might have to fiddle with config to see if that's a lead.

Alternatively its possible NGS now requires a full client reboot rather than just a religious for it to update, but that would be a weird change unless it was part of the nexon launcher changeover

I guess for now we continue to assume it's a normal anti-abyss update but I'm gonna try and poke about and see if I can figure out why my friend is unaffected.

Game just shut down for weekly maintenance. My guess is they're just back to inconveniencing Blade (and everyone who uses abyss) again.

[skylaar727]

Game just shut down for weekly maintenance. My guess is they're just back to inconveniencing Blade (and everyone who uses abyss) again.

Yep most likely, I'm just curious as to why that one friend was able to not get NGS despite reloading but that's nexon for you lol. Regardless that last one lasted over a month, let's hope we don't go back to daily updates lol

Edit: So a friend of mine has figured out a configuration that works without NGS, appears it is indeed particular features being detected. I'm running down the list to try and narrow it down to a particular list of patches (atleast ones that I'm using) at present.

[Fl0rn]

Yep most likely, I'm just curious as to why that one friend was able to not get NGS despite reloading but that's nexon for you lol. Regardless that last one lasted over a month, let's hope we don't go back to daily updates lol

Ask your friend which version of abyss they're using, when they got it?  I know i ran with an abyss at one point, that never seemed to get patched.  Blade had released an abyss update right after NGS updated, then before NGS updated again he updated abyss with some features or something, resulting in two abyss versions between NGS updates.  I had the older one, and the next NGS update tripped the new abyss, but not the old one, and the following several weeks' of updates all failed to patch the version i had, so i kept using it for a while.

So i theorize, if your friend has an older version of abyss, it may be possible that it indeed is not detected.  If it's the recent version, same as most everyone else here is using, then i really couldn't say though.

[destindfate2]

Ask your friend which version of abyss they're using, when they got it? I know I ran with an abyss at one point, that never seemed to get patched. Blade had released an abyss update right after NGS updated, then before NGS updated again he updated abyss with some features or something, resulting in two abyss versions between NGS updates. I had the older one, and the next NGS update tripped the new abyss, but not the old one, and the following several weeks' of updates all failed to patch the version i had, so i kept using it for a while.

So i theorize, if your friend has an older version of abyss, it may be possible that it indeed is not detected. If it's the recent version, same as most everyone else here is using, then i really couldn't say though.

Same thing happened to me with a January version of abyss. It was mid to late Feb before I got NGS'd. Came here to check on the status and saw abyss had been updated twice since I'd last visited. lol

[skylaar727]

Ask your friend which version of abyss they're using, when they got it?  I know i ran with an abyss at one point, that never seemed to get patched.  Blade had released an abyss update right after NGS updated, then before NGS updated again he updated abyss with some features or something, resulting in two abyss versions between NGS updates.  I had the older one, and the next NGS update tripped the new abyss, but not the old one, and the following several weeks' of updates all failed to patch the version i had, so i kept using it for a while.

So i theorize, if your friend has an older version of abyss, it may be possible that it indeed is not detected.  If it's the recent version, same as most everyone else here is using, then i really couldn't say though.

Nah theyre definitely on the current version, and i do indeed still have a very old working version available, but the features have near all been broken by patches so much that its barely worth using at this point.

Edit: Tried simply replacing my Abyss.ini with theirs and still no luck, NGSd but was able to stay logged in on Vanilla for girg dailies (about 40 mins). Seems whatever Nexon did, its affecting different people to different extents which is strange. A particular feature will NGS for one person but not another.
Anyways, even using compare in notepad++ and matching my settings to theirs I'm still getting NGS so guess no luck there. Another different case of it working but seemingly not being able to be replicated. Gonna keep trying.

[Lost]

I disabled multiclient and it seems to be fine for me now, that being said a friend has multiclient and ran it for ten minutes earlier this morning and everything was fine, i suggest trying to uninstall/reinstall and then trying again, if you haven't already.

[Chacha]

I haven't been experiencing any issues with NGS. This includes after full client restarts, and even using multi-client. Using the latest release of Abyss (Feb 18).

[skylaar727]

Got some useful advice from the discord server, deleted HShield, BlackCipher and NexonGuard folders in my mabinogi folder, used repair inside of Nexon Launcher and then reapplied 18th Feb Abyss and now all seems to be working fine again. I replaced the Abyss.ini with the stock one too just because I mucked up my own config anyway trying to figure out the problem.

So I guess for some reason, the latest update maybe corrupted some of those files for some users and not others, but forcing replacement of said files appears to fix it. Been online 15+ minutes now without NGS, so those of you having trouble give it a try. I would've thought if the files were corrupted that clean mabi would NGS too which it wasnt doing, so it doesn't really make sense, but hey ho it fixed the problem so who cares.

[Lost]

Got some useful advice from the discord server, deleted HShield, BlackCipher and NexonGuard folders in my mabinogi folder, used repair inside of Nexon Launcher and then reapplied 18th Feb Abyss and now all seems to be working fine again. I replaced the Abyss.ini with the stock one too just because I mucked up my own config anyway trying to figure out the problem.

So I guess for some reason, the latest update maybe corrupted some of those files for some users and not others, but forcing replacement of said files appears to fix it. Been online 15+ minutes now without NGS, so those of you having trouble give it a try. I would've thought if the files were corrupted that clean mabi would NGS too which it wasnt doing, so it doesn't really make sense, but hey ho it fixed the problem so who cares.

Worked, i can use multiclient now

[Eleana_Lovely]

As March 29th, 10:20pm PST, getting NGS error.
Not sure whether it's just me or not though (Multiclient NGS for sure though)

[Lost]

As March 29th, 10:20pm PST, getting NGS error.
Not sure whether it's just me or not though (Multiclient NGS for sure though)

Did you try what Skylaar suggested above?

[destindfate2]

Got some useful advice from the discord server, deleted HShield, BlackCipher and NexonGuard folders in my mabinogi folder, used repair inside of Nexon Launcher and then reapplied 18th Feb Abyss and now all seems to be working fine again. I replaced the Abyss.ini with the stock one too just because I mucked up my own config anyway trying to figure out the problem.

So I guess for some reason, the latest update maybe corrupted some of those files for some users and not others, but forcing replacement of said files appears to fix it. Been online 15+ minutes now without NGS, so those of you having trouble give it a try. I would've thought if the files were corrupted that clean mabi would NGS too which it wasnt doing, so it doesn't really make sense, but hey ho it fixed the problem so who cares.

Confirmed, yet for me it took (yet ANOTHER) fresh full install of mabi before I could drop abyss into the folder and get it to work. :/

[Eleana_Lovely]

Did you try what Skylaar suggested above?

Hmm I just did repair thing and seems it's doing okay so far.
( I didn't delete those files but just remove abyss files and then pasted them back after repair )

[TadoJin]

Possible fix maybe for a few people. Idk if you do this already but I think it was said before to keep a separate mabi folder from your original folder. I know a few of my friends getting ngs but I haven't. I patch everything first thru launcher and whatever is in appdata I copy and paste it into another folder under another name. Just throw direct launch in there and works for me. Haven't had ngs ever since latest maintenance and still using latest abyss as well. Saves you from having to redownload mabi again since your main place will stay a clean folder.

[Fl0rn]

Hmm I just did repair thing and seems it's doing okay so far.
( I didn't delete those files but just remove abyss files and then pasted them back after repair )

Just wanted to say this is a good practice.  Deleting everything is fine, if you know it will work.  Practicality wise though, if someone tells you to delete something, move it elsewhere or have a backup of it ready.  You may delete and suddenly find yourself worse off than before, or missing a valuable file.  So +1 for good logic.

[Tanoak]

Just wanted to note that I did run into some NGS issues earlier with their latest patch, but after moving the folders NexonGuard, BlackCipher, and HShield, along with copying my Abyss.ini file and uninstalling my mods, I did that installation fix thing in the Nexon Laucher, then reinstalled the mods. After that, hadn't had a problem since. Not sure what actually triggered the error since it would suddenly log me out of the game 5 minutes in and then say that NGS detected something that was a security risk. Not sure if it's any of the mods messing with it or not.

[shichael]

How do you do the nexon launcher repair thing?

[destindfate2]

How do you do the nexon launcher repair thing?

It's in the settings. Either right click the icon in your task tray, or open Nexon launcher and on the mabi tab, click on the gear icon then scroll down to the repair option. 

[Relinos]

System Specs (winkey+pause/break key, system specs: i.e. Graphics Card, RAM amount, CPU speed...)
Please attach those specs here:
https://gyazo.com/8fee49061e1b00917b3fe3aea4ea46fd
(Also please include)
OS:
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For the following put Yes or No if you use these:
UO Tiara (specify if using data folder or .pack):
Abyss: Yes
Kanan's Scripts: No
mod_sharker: No
MashiPack (retired, please mention if you use though): No
Poison Pack: No
SweetFX: No
ENB: No
ReShade: No
Frontend: No
Playpack: No
other mods (please mention here): N/A

Acceptable ways to launch. (Yes or No if you use)
MabiLauncherPlus: No
Power Patcher 2.0.1 (may cause issues for some): No
MabiDirectLaunch: No
Batch Launch  (this is the method Playtime uses for Playpack)

Unacceptable ways to launch. Below we discourage use of these as they're not mod friendly but, it's helpful to know if you use them. (Yes or No if you use)
Classic Mabinogi: Yes
Newer Nexon Launcher: No
Steam Launcher: No

Updated my Abyss and Im still getting the NGS error within the first few mins.

[Fl0rn]

Updated my Abyss and Im still getting the NGS error within the first few mins.

Read the last 10-20 posts, see if anything there is useful to you.  Nice effort on actually using the formatting in the first post too.


EDIT:
Updated the first post with the recent issue everyone's been having.  It may be a screw up on nexon's part, may be something else.  I doubt the info is useful long term, so i do intend to edit it out in the future.  As always, spoiler in the second post, contains an edit log.

[destindfate2]

Just went in to update also and noticed they changed the version of ijl11.dll to one from back in October of 2015. Seems to me they were using one from more recent than that in the last couple months. I messed up and overwrote my operating files though, so I can't double check this. That being said, I was thinking a version of abyss from back then might solve the problem. Sadly, I can't check it as I only started saving old copies in the last few months. I checked old machines and have copies from 2014, but not 2015. Don't have time to play with it at the moment, but may attempt it later this afternoon.

EDIT: It may also be worth noting, when I drop abyss files in the folder now, I get an error message that pops up saying ijl.dll can't be found.

[skylaar727]

It would appear Abyss is being NGS'd. Just in case I did the whole delete/rename the folders and repair installation again, in case it was the same as last week, but NGS is persisting after doing so.

Using Feb 18th Abyss, no other mods. Happens via DirectLaunch and via Nexon Launcher.

Not seeing any failed patches in my abyss patchlog however, atleast not for the particular patches I have enabled, just getting NGS.

Having reports from friends that theyre not NGSing however, so we might have another weird oddity to deal with. I'm investigating.

[Kohi]

^try removing tiara m8.

theres a reason why draconis helps us keep tabs on these specific changes, cus thats primarily the main cause which makes us NGS in most cases:
https://mabimods.net/index.php?topic=17819.0

[skylaar727]

^try removing tiara m8.

theres a reason why draconis helps us keep tabs on these specific changes, cus thats primarily the main cause which makes us NGS in most cases:
https://mabimods.net/index.php?topic=17819.0

As indicated in my post, I only use Abyss, never been a fan of tiara, so thats not the issue.

Interestingly a friend I provided my ini to when troubleshooting the issues a week ago is running just fine on my ini without NGS. I suspect launcher shenanigans again.

[Kohi]

well i assume u used tiara cus thats what fixed it for me o-o isnt tiara like on the same level as using kanan etc?

but eitherway, if ur not using either and u only use abyss (plus u removed it) wouldnt repairing mabi be the quickest solution to ur problems?
i believe it removes and changes anything different to what it should be (like a synch-copy)