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[LukeTheRipper]

Don't know what's actually causing it but running abyss causes my client to crash while loading the pleione engine.

[BlindedDoll]

Got this today after updating my Abyss from 2/14 to 2/18. Don't know what to do about it but it doesn't let me load the client at all.

Update: Seems like only one of my computers got it. The other computer is still running 2/14 Abyss just fine.

[Draconis.Pendragon]

Your NGS and related files are out of whack. Updating should fix this. See the Powerpatcher thread.

[FreedomPrince]

NGS detected since maintenance today (16th)

[Blade3575]

NGS detected since maintenance today (16th)

What is detected? Abyss? Tiara? Kanan? PowerPatcher? How many attempts were made to stay logged in? More than one? There are a lot of different things that are needed to narrow things down and help others. Please contribute by posting more information in the future.

[Eleana_Lovely]

Using latest (Feb. one) version of Abyss and having no trouble, so far.

Just needed to patch through Nexon Game Manager thing then use DirecLauncher that people released.

And I'm not using any other mods other than Abyss.

[axoee]

Whenever I try to run mabi with abyss I get this problem




Any idea what could be causing this?

didn't happen when back when I used the non nexon launcher version.

I'm using the latest version of abyss~

[SpyxedDemon]

A lot of people have no problem with Abyss still. Yet, I am one of those who DO get kicked from NGS.

How I patched/started mabi:

I had to use powerpatch to patch mabinogi. (I don't have nexon launcher) and after patching successfully I removed power patcher from the folder and launched Mabinogi with the direct launcher.
NGS kick 5 minutes later.

I removed Mabinogi entirely, put an entirely clean version from a backup on my pc. Patched it with PPatcher again, started with direct launcher...same thing.

I now play nexon launcher mabinogi after entirely downloading it again....everything is fine. I will now try to put abyss in it since I've patched it with Nexon launcher now and not PPatcher.

[Pr0boszcz]

Just a little thing about my issues with NGS on my second PC... I've had the latest Abyss before update and didn't update it after. So what I did after maint:
1) Renamed ijl11.dll -> ijl11.dll2
2) Renamed ijl11.dat -> ijl11.dll
3) Copied PowerPatcher + Ionic.Zip.Reduced.dll to mabi folder
4) Updated game with PowerPatcher
5) Started game -> NGS
6) Started game2 -> NGS
7) removed Mabinogi.exe
8 ) Started game 3 -> works! (PowerPatcher still in mabi folder)
9) Apparently now can rename back ijl11.dll to ijl11.dat and ijl11.dll2 to ijl11.dll and it should still be fine

[MasterNick]

Aww..  downloaded abyss and power patcher, but i keep getting NGS from abyss. tried your steps btw Prob, but no luck.

[Fl0rn]

It's outlined in the first post, but also be sure not to start mabi with power patcher.  That's been known to trip ngs for a while.  Aside from that, i have nothing useful to add, don't actually play now.

[MasterNick]

Oh i started from power patcher... also the first post stated crash before login ;;. i got on but it kicks me after 1-2mins for NGS threat . so was hoping it was not just me to get assist haha.


final results:  K abyss was not the issue thank goodness haha

 Power patcher = fail

New direct launcher = success

[Draconis.Pendragon]

Oh i started from power patcher... also the first post stated crash before login ;;. i got on but it kicks me after 1-2mins for NGS threat . so was hoping it was not just me to get assist haha.


final results:  K abyss was not the issue thank goodness haha

 Power patcher = fail

New direct launcher = success

Great job.  THIS POST, is exactly what we like to see.  You actually took the time to report your findings and was specific enough to where it can be of use to others.  We as the staff, would LOVE to see more posts like this.  Thank you.

[Fl0rn]

Oh i started from power patcher... also the first post stated crash before login ;;. i got on but it kicks me after 1-2mins for NGS threat . so was hoping it was not just me to get assist haha.


final results:  K abyss was not the issue thank goodness haha

 Power patcher = fail

New direct launcher = success

Potential Fixes/Theories

• Try different Launchers like ☢Mabinogi Frontend☢, Batch Launch, MabiDirectLaunch.exe and Power Patcher 2.0.1  as alternatives to Nexon's Launcher to patch files or avoid detection.  Launching through Power Patcher 2.0.1  will get you detected though, only use it to patch.

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Power Patcher 2.0.1 (may cause issues for some):
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• Power Patcher 2.0.1  (close before opening game)

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• Several modding tools are currently being detected if running while Mabinogi is running and should be closed beforehand or not used at all to avoid detection:
  changing the Window Caption of detected programs or filenames has been proven as possible methods to prevent NGS detection.
• Power Patcher 2.0.1

While i greatly appreciate not just efforts to double-check yourself, but also details regarding your actions, i did quite clearly, and multiple times, say to close power patcher before launch, and not to use power patch launcher as it is detected.  I specifically searched for "power" within my first post, and those quotes were the result.  I didn't notice anything about crashing within my post, though it's possible i may have overlooked it.

[MasterNick]

While i greatly appreciate not just efforts to double-check yourself, but also details regarding your actions, i did quite clearly, and multiple times, say to close power patcher before launch, and not to use power patch launcher as it is detected.  I specifically searched for "power" within my first post, and those quotes were the result.  I didn't notice anything about crashing within my post, though it's possible i may have overlooked it.

Indeed you did ? but but i just clarified that it worked?and put it in a way others wont have read full sentence?

P.S: thank you for the assistance?

[Fl0rn]

Indeed you did ? but but i just clarified that it worked?and put it in a way others wont have read full sentence?

P.S: thank you for the assistance?

In a word, yes. 

Not trying to be a jerk, just wanted it clear that i did point out powerpatcher trips NGS.  I put effort into the first post, as did a few of our staff, and if there was a horrible error i would go back to fix it.  First post is meant, if read, to help cover honest to god NGS issues and detail them.  Multiple users have contributed efforts to finding out and spelling out, about what causes NGS to go off.  Again, not trying to be a jerk, but it is disrespectful as you came across (probably not intentionally) as discrediting the info in the first post.  So i simply wanted to be clear that the first post did indeed, detail such matters is all. 

I sensed no ill intent in your previous post, so i have nothing against you, and still greatly appreciate the effort you made in sharing details.  So please don't mistake my correction for misappreciation, as it was intended as nothing other than a simple correction.

[Draconis.Pendragon]

^+1 @Fl0rn


@Others/All Concerned
So, the thing is that most have to be mindful of is that many of us test things personally, and report the results and share our findings after compiling them for ease of use.  When others don't "READ" our posts and findings.  It's not only a just a dis-respect to the OP, it's also to the staff, those involved, the community, and one's self.  Because really, a person cheats themselves of potential solutions when it comes down to it. 

I only presented this as another viewpoint which is often missed.

[skylaar727]

It appears abyss may be getting NGSd again. Thought it might be multiclient at first, as it only happened when I opened a 2nd client, but having tested further it seems to happen whenever I have abyss active.

Was logged on fine and multiclienting about 2 hours ago, so i guess NGS updated just recently.

Only using latest abyss, no other mods.

[NeuroticX]

It appears abyss may be getting NGSd again. Thought it might be multiclient at first, as it only happened when I opened a 2nd client, but having tested further it seems to happen whenever I have abyss active.

Was logged on fine and multiclienting about 2 hours ago, so i guess NGS updated just recently.

Only using latest abyss, no other mods.

I also just got Ngs using abyss, looks like its time for an abyss update xD

[FreedomPrince]

NGS detected for Abyss. Seconds after logging in, NGS notice and d/c.

[taichiisoulcross]

same thing here XD

[Lost]

looks like i shouldve checked the forums before logging on..

[skylaar727]

I'm not presently home myself to test, but based on my own observations last night and some friends further investigating, it would seem disabling EnableMulticlient in abyss stops detection.

I'll verify it myself when I get home in a few hours, but anyone else is welcome to in the mean time.

[destindfate2]

I'm not presently home myself to test, but based on my own observations last night and some friends further investigating, it would seem disabling EnableMulticlient in abyss stops detection.

I'll verify it myself when I get home in a few hours, but anyone else is welcome to in the mean time.

I'm running abyss only with multiclient disabled and just got detected a few minutes ago.

[skylaar727]

I'm running abyss only with multiclient disabled and just got detected a few minutes ago.

Hmmm guess it's not that then, I had one friend last night running latest abyss and wasn't getting NGS even after cc/recognised and then discovered this morning that a different friend left me a message saying that was the issue so I put 2 and 2 together but I guess it runs deeper.

My friend not getting NGSd with abyss after CC would suggest particular config options trigger it, but that's not been how abyss gets detected in the past, might have to fiddle with config to see if that's a lead.

Alternatively its possible NGS now requires a full client reboot rather than just a religious for it to update, but that would be a weird change unless it was part of the nexon launcher changeover

I guess for now we continue to assume it's a normal anti-abyss update but I'm gonna try and poke about and see if I can figure out why my friend is unaffected.