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[Rothchild]

Since some people have working Abyss while others don't maybe it's a particular mod that Abyss uses?(or maybe not since Professor tested all Abyss mods) I tried toggling on and off a few different mods via the .ini but still was detected.

I'm also running Windows 10.

[DexCookie]

Since some people have working Abyss while others don't maybe it's a particular mod that Abyss uses?(or maybe not since Professor tested all Abyss mods) I tried toggling on and off a few different mods via the .ini but still was detected.

I'm also running Windows 10.

Well, the only things in Abyss that I have turned off are: DataFolder, the fonts (since I never cared much for them in the first place), and the Bugle to System. Have been logged in for 4 hours+ and have not gotten kicked by NGS.

This is with Windows 7, if that's relevant.

[Fl0rn]

Since some people have working Abyss while others don't maybe it's a particular mod that Abyss uses?(or maybe not since Professor tested all Abyss mods)

Well if it's abyss, abyss does create a log and you can check that.  However, there was something that a few of us wondered last night/early this morning.

then it's most likely a specific data folder mod not present in Frontend or people that were using Power Patcher 2.0

been on for 20 minutes with DataFolder=0, uo tiara's data folder packed to custom .packs and using MabiDirectLaunch.exe
so that leads me to believe they are detecting something like Visual Chat or otherwise unique to uo tiara, mods that neither Blade or Proff are using.

I actually wondered this myself, if it wasn't that a data folder edit is now being looked for by mabi/security, and this is what's actually triggering the NGS.  We're used to things like outdated db files causing crashes, but what if it's like an updated db file now, and the game is like 'i see you made a change there, you can't log in now.'  I lack the experience or knowledge to prove this, especially as i don't play atm, but with all the problems going around i'm wondering if that isn't potentially nexon's new curveball.





Also, at the risk of sounding conceited, as i'm not doing much honestly, i would like to say thanks to all the people contributing and making efforts, sharing details, and everything.  Some of it may seem minor, in terms of what effort you've put forth, but gathering details is what fixing the problem is all about.  So please do continue to contribute, as you're helping to isolate the problem so a fix can be discovered.

[GiratinaAltered]

My Abyss is actually the latest it seems, modsharker is old still working fine, and Tiara at V227. Nothing seems to be a problem here. Might test the others if needed.

[Morillo12]

So I reinstalled Mabinogi, implemented the latest Abyss & Poison Pack, and changed DataFolder=1 to DataFolder=0 in Abyss.ini (don't know if it's what made the difference or not, but I suppose it's worth noting since I didn't do it before?)... it's been over 30 minutes and I haven't been booted. I also didn't close NGS this time (another difference). My OS is Windows 10.

[ninthsin]

I keep getting booted for using the Cat Marble Mod (Which makes marbles look bigger) but not the doll bag pick up marble mod. Can anyone confirm?

[Tsusanoe]

So i got Abyss(Some stuff)+Tiara+Poison Pack to work for 30+ minutes doing this;

• Installed Clean Mabi
• Made Tiara.pack(custom.pack)
• Installed Poison pack
• Installed Current Abyss
• Went into Abyss.ini and set everything to =0 except bitmap,quake, CP Scouter, Party Board to Housing, and Zoom
• Loaded Mabinogi Direct Launch
• Didn't end the process of NGS

[Rava]

Does modding the dolls trigger the kick? I've modded race.xml + aidescdata_autobot_vocaloid.xml for doll pickup speed + gathering /spinning/. It worked while I was logged in but, eventually a NGS error. I used mabipacker w/ and w/o tiara. Both times the mod worked. But I still get triggered, each time I also end tasked BlackCipher in task manager.

Any recommendations? Sorry for my ignorance/incompetence x.x'''''

[Fl0rn]

Quick notice, updated the first post again.  Basically, i don't advise you to close NGS or BlackCipher unless i'ts a last ditch effort, as more and more reports seem to be saying that gets you kicked.  Wanted to leave the issue mentioned in the first post still, as it may potentially still work for someone.


Also, been feeling like crap all day, on reviewing the first post i see that someone's cleaned it up here and there, thanks for that, and the efforts that have been made to keep it updated.

[The Proffessor]

is it just me, or does it seem that the majority of NGS kicks are being reported on Win 10? I have only Win7 systems myself.

[Mashirosan]

I have windows 8 and I never had any issue with ngs

[Draconis.Pendragon]

Working on more PCs...
3 more PCs down.  Windows 10 (2), and a Windows 7 PC.  We're still logged in atm on 2 of them.  1 uses the old school installer, 2 use the Nexon Launcher. 

I use Windows 10 myself and it works fine with the Steam version.

So... before I even begin, each and every time I fix the underlying network issues and problems, any updates needed driver wise and software dependencies, and then and only then I begin to update Mabi.  This mentioned all prior can be omitted for those that stay current.  Most I know do not keep things current.

Then I make sure Mabi has a good install for foundation.  Then I add in Tiara and Abyss.

To me it's really just common sense really.  You're going to have a car then you need to maintain it. PCs are no different in principle.  Also our mods need a good foundation. Not much more need be said.

[Draconis.Pendragon]

Does modding the dolls trigger the kick? I've modded race.xml + aidescdata_autobot_vocaloid.xml for doll pickup speed + gathering /spinning/. It worked while I was logged in but, eventually a NGS error. I used mabipacker w/ and w/o tiara. Both times the mod worked. But I still get triggered, each time I also end tasked BlackCipher in task manager.

Any recommendations? Sorry for my ignorance/incompetence x.x'''''

These 2:
race.xml + aidescdata_autobot_vocaloid.xml
I modify in Tiara and use myself (their versions).  We're using them now atm (I'm stalking another guy via Skype and TeamViewer atm watching him play to test).  So far things are good. We're been in a bit over... 45+ mins now.  No issues yet.

[GiratinaAltered]

is it just me, or does it seem that the majority of NGS kicks are being reported on Win 10? I have only Win7 systems myself.

I had mention this in another post before but I didn't want to be quick to jump at, it seems a lot of people reporting these problems are Window 10 users. I'm still using Windows 8.1.

[rinosan]

Running Win7
Running custom pack mods (updated to 228)
Running the latest abyss

After trials and errors (and then finding out I had other mem edits)
Clean Mabi (Old School Mabi) + recent Abyss + custom packs worked fine just yesterday.

Still testing, but so far getting kicked with
Abyss: Secondary Pass Enabled, Debug Log Enabled
-as of typing this, Debug Log only enabled seems to give me a hanging process.

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Oh, I forgot all about this, if you have MabiUnpack or even MabiPacker running, it seems this gets you kicked. At least, that's what I've experienced.

since NGS, "usually" kicks me out within 7 minutes, I may only have had issues because I had packer/unpack running. Just tested and waited out 10 minutes with my usual abyss settings.

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;If you enjoy these mods please feel free to donate: http://blade3575.net63.net/Abyss/donate.html
;To uninstall Abyss delete the following files:
; dinput8.dll, HSLaunch.exe, HSUpdate.vbs, IJL15.dll, Abyss_patchlog.txt, and Abyss.ini
; Then rename IJL15.dat to IJL15.dll

[PATCH]

;Enter your user name or email used to sign into your account along with your secondary password.
; Patch by Plonecakes.
; Example: If you log in with the credentials:
; Username: Blade
; Password: 3575
; Secondary Password: 0000
; You would type YourUsername=YourSecondaryPass (e.g. Blade=0000) like below.
SecondaryPass=1
Blade=0000

;------------


Usernames/Passes here



;-------------

;Load any DLL you want here. The DLL's you want to load must be in your
; Mabinogi folder. Separate the DLL's with commas.
; Example: LoadDLL=HackSlash.dll,mod_sharker.dll
LoadDLL=

;Prevents Mabinogi from forcing the monitor to stay on.
; Patch by The Proffessor.
AllowMonitorSleep=1

;Change the color of names when the Alt key is pressed.
; Patch by spr33, converted to work by Blade3575.
; First 2 digits are transparency, 3rd and 4th are red, 5th and 6th are green, 7th and 8th are blue.
AltNameColor=1
Human1=0xFF00CCFF
Human2=0x00000000
Elf1=0xFFFFC0CB
Elf2=0x00000000
Giant1=0xFF00CC00
Giant2=0x00000000
NPC1=0xFFFF6600
NPC2=0x00000000
;--------------


;Removes sunlight glare.
; Patch by Step29.
AntiGlare=1

;Makes Bugles go to a system message.
BugleToSystemMessage=1

;Removes notice when changing channels.
; Patch by Step29.
ChMoveDescCut=1

;Clears fog from all dungeon minimaps.
; Patch by Plonecakes.
ClearDungeonFog=1

;Show individual minutes on the clock instead of intervals of 10.
; Patch by creator of kirisame.
ClockMinute=1

;Changes the sky light to:
; 1 = Midday
; 2 = Midnight
; 3 = User Select (1-24)
ControlDayTime=1
Time=1


;Skips cutscenes.
CutsceneSkip=1

;Show negative life instead of DEADLY.
DeadlyLife=1


;Disables weapon weaker than barehand message.
DisableBarehandMsg=1

;Allows you to chat uncensored.
DisableChatFilter=1

;Disables the map position marker, reducing lag in tunnel maps.
DisableMapPositionMarker=1

;Prevents the screen from shaking.
DisableQuake=1

;Enable full-screen antialiasing.
; Patch by Step29.
EnableFSAA=1


;Logs exception information should one occur.
ExceptionHook=1

;Allows you to view names when holding down alt from far away.
; Patch by kotarou3.
FarAltDisplay=1

;NPC's text is sped up.
; Patch by Step29.
FastNPCText=1

;Allows you to take as much time as you want to find dye colors.
; WARNING: Bar will go down, but won't stop you from finding colors.
; Patch by Step29 with help from thatguysteve.
InfiniteDyeTime=1

;Allows you to open windows while you're dead.
; Patch by kotarou3.
InterfaceWhileDead=1

;Allows items to be hotkeyed.
; Patch by kotarou3, remade by Step29.
ItemHotkey=1


;Adds commas to gold values.
; Patch by kotarou3 and Step29.
MoneyString=1

;Allows you to change to the same channel.
MoveToSameChannel=1

;Disables Nagle directly.
; Patch by creator of kirisame.
; Requires you to Relog or CC to take effect when changing it ingame.
NoDelay=1

;Prevents automatic zooming when talking to a partner.
; Patch by Step29.
NoPartnerZoom=1


;Prevents Party signs from automatically closing.
; WARNING: Disabled by default on reports of people being banned for its use. Use at your own risk.
PartyTime=1



;View Combat Power by pressing Alt.
; 1 = Default CP strings.
; 2 = Custom CP strings. Max length of 40.
; Patch by creator of kirisame.
Scouter=1
ScouterDefault=
ScouterWeakest=<mini>WEAKEST</mini>
ScouterWeak=<mini>WEAK</mini>
ScouterSame=
ScouterStrong=<mini>STRONG</mini>
ScouterAwful=<mini>AWFUL</mini>
ScouterBoss=<mini>BOSS</mini>

;View stars in collection journal.
; Patch by creator of kirisame.
Scrapbook=1


;Talk to your ego when it's not equipped.
; Patch by kotarou3.
TalkToUnequippedEgo=1

;0=normal, 1=union of zoom range, 2=fixed zoom range
; Patch by creator of kirisame.
Zoom=1
ZoomMin=200
ZoomMax=6500

//////////////////////////////////////////////////
//DEBUG
ExtraThreads=0

;Enable debug logging, use this when posting your log if you have a problem.
Debug=0




[lolzor]

My experiences were both with a Win7 Desktop and a Win10 laptop, though I was using Powerpatcher to test before I did a clean install.

[eennee]

My experience with the anti-mod features thus far:
1. Crash every 5 minutes regardless of disabling the NGS process.
2. Clean install: Abyss+Tiara = Crash, NGS detection boot.
3. Clean Install: abyss alone: running all the default features except for zoom and bitmap font, no crash.

Conclusion: My own conclusion is that one of the functions of tiara is causing the crash. This isnt a problem for me, the main function that I use from abyss is the no-quake. However, I would like to use the dye mod from tiara, is there any way for me to get this alone and hopefully not crash without installing tiara? Since tiara causes me to get booted as soon as I install it?

I am running on windows 7.

[ShaggyZE]

you can install tiara in full with mabipacker, also tiara gives you choice to install just the dye mod; read the mod selection page and find the mods you want, download the latest installer, click yes when asked to delete your data folder, you may need to disable DataFolder in Abyss.ini
you can also download just the UOTiara.pack and language.pack on the download page and place them in your package folder.

[Fl0rn]

Minor update.  To try and prevent further confusion/problems, i'm tossing this out.  I updated the original post, and you can always see the second post for previous edit details.  I strongly recommend people to use custom .pack files at the moment, over reading the data folder.  Data folder seems to be cropping up as a frequent issue, and custom pack files seems to be more reliable at the moment, though i'm not going to claim anything is 100% guaranteed to work for everyone at this point.

Criticism, feedback, or anything like that is welcome, and continued thanks to the efforts everyone's putting in to figure everything out and make the whole matter progress smoother.

[Daisama]

Blackcipher got a heartbeat on the 1st around noon. This means that closing it will no longer work, as the server is actively talking to it. The DC timer resets whenever you CC, so hypothetically, you can stay on forever even using pake(assuming black cipher is closed), tho inconvenient. It takes about 4 min to DC if you dont CC. The server sends F8A04048 when it boots you. It appears its only function is to tell your client that you're being kicked by NGS. Blocking it allows you to relog as if you were disconnected normally. Abyss, data folder edits, etc, should not be causing anyone any issues. Blackcipher mostly targets hooks, though that may change in the future. For now, simply removing dinput8.dll(likely leftovers from crackshield) should solve everyone issues. Windows 10 having more issues than the rest is likely just anecdotal. I've had no issues using all of the above (on W10.) Hope that clears some stuff up for you guys.

[WiNgEdCoW+MaRi=JeBuS]

How I fixed my NGS crashes: I deleted everything and reinstalled mabi. I'm just using the abyss with tiara files DataFolder=1 no power patcher or data packer just the data file. I also got mod sharker to work. You guys try this too and see... Maybe it's cause of data packer.

[ShaggyZE]

Blackcipher got a heartbeat on the 1st around noon. This means that closing it will no longer work, as the server is actively talking to it. The DC timer resets whenever you CC, so hypothetically, you can stay on forever even using pake(assuming black cipher is closed), tho inconvenient. It takes about 4 min to DC if you dont CC. The server sends F8A04048 when it boots you. It appears its only function is to tell your client that you're being kicked by NGS. Blocking it allows you to relog as if you were disconnected normally. Abyss, data folder edits, etc, should not be causing anyone any issues. Blackcipher mostly targets hooks, though that may change in the future. For now, simply removing dinput8.dll(likely leftovers from crackshield) should solve everyone issues. Windows 10 having more issues than the rest is likely just anecdotal. I've had no issues using all of the above (on W10.) Hope that clears some stuff up for you guys.

they are scanning for more then just crackshield, so just removing dinput8.dll won't solve everyone's problem, NGS is also detecting several tools if they see it in open processes, their is a data folder edit in tiara causing boots (having it .packed avoids detection), most likely visual chat, but i'll test more tomorrow to discover which one, we also knew about the heartbeat which is why we no longer recommend people closing BC since it's pointless, a workaround is being made so thanks for the info

[Daisama]

they are scanning for more then just crackshield, so just removing dinput8.dll won't solve everyone's problem, NGS is also detecting several tools if they see it in open processes, their is a data folder edit in tiara causing boots (having it .packed avoids detection), most likely visual chat, but i'll test more tomorrow to discover which one, we also knew about the heartbeat which is why we no longer recommend people closing BC since it's pointless, a workaround is being made so thanks for the info

Do you know the estimated kick time for the data folder? Also, what tools are known to kick you? Decided to download your data folder and use it unpacked with abyss. Going on 10 minutes without a boot. I have my personal stuff disabled for this test.
Currently using
Poison pack
Abyss(Everything turned on)
Tiara just data folder unpacked
I haven't cced or anything. Now at 15 minutes.

You sure your data folder is causing issues?

I'll test some tools too, i guess.

So, I've used cheat engine to edit some stuff. Process hacker been opened for awhile. Nothing. What tools got you booted?

We're getting close to an hour now. I've had all this crap open. 0 boots. So I'm at somewhat of a loss. I genuinely don't know what is getting you guys kicked. So far, the only thing that has gotten me booted is xxxx. I'll be sure to tell you if that changes. I'll leave my client open. Going to bed.

[Austinmw1293]

I try to open Mabinogi using the Frontend launcher and every time I press the start button and it moves to the launcher I get an error message that says: Error retrieving information from Mabi's server. Please try again later. You may continue but there is no guarantee that you will be able to log into the game. I then press continue and go to press the start game button on the launcher and I'm being told the system cannot find the file specified. Does anyone know what I could have possibly done wrong?

[「★Ｓ２９★シ」]

  Blackcipher mostly targets hooks, though that may change in the future.

This crap right here
This is driving me into berserker mode on modding NGClient.aes/BlackCall.aes.
I need those freaking hooks and you already know why. LOL