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[Keitasama]

NGS was updated again, as per latest post in the abyss thread.

[hillman101]

Once again, NGS issues. They're really on top of it lately.

[Fl0rn]

NGS was updated again, as per latest post in the abyss thread.

That's a good start, mentioning abyss.


Not at anyone in specific, bear in mind this form.

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System Specs (winkey+pause/break key, system specs: i.e. Graphics Card, RAM amount, CPU speed...)
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DirectX version (use dxdiag for dx version):
AntiVirus type or Suite:

For the following put Yes or No if you use these:
UO Tiara (specify if using data folder or .pack):
Abyss:
Kanan's Scripts:
mod_sharker:
MashiPack (retired, please mention if you use though):
Poison Pack:
SweetFX:
ENB:
ReShade:
Frontend:
Playpack:
other mods (please mention here):

Acceptable ways to launch. (Yes or No if you use)
MabiLauncherPlus:
Power Patcher 2.0.1 (may cause issues for some):
MabiDirectLaunch:
Batch Launch  (this is the method Playtime uses for Playpack)

Unacceptable ways to launch. Below we discourage use of these as they're not mod friendly but, it's helpful to know if you use them. (Yes or No if you use)
Classic Mabinogi:
Newer Nexon Launcher:
Steam Launcher:

If you do not wish to strictly adhere to the form, you need to at least think about what you believe would be relevant details to others confirming any issues.  At the moment, abyss is the largely assumed problem, but it's a good habit to either include what types of mods you use, or how you've personally tested what tripped NGS for you.  As in you actually did trial and error to confirm abyss was the problem.

[Ulk]

System Specs: Win10 Pro 64 bits, Intel i5 -6500, 8GB RAM, EVGA GTX950

Only mod I was using: Abyss (deleted when I tried to use my pack mod). Also used MabiDirectLaunch to launch the game. No other launcher was used.

Original post for reference: https://mabimods.net/index.php?topic=17648.0
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I was trying to modify pick-up AIs for dolls. The modified xml file (aidescdata_autobot_vocaloid.xml, last updated in version 229, found under db\ai\local\) was working fine with abyss's data folder feature. When I used MabiPacker (version 1.2.1) to pack the said xml into a pack file I got NGS error after running the game for a few minutes. I also deleted the data mod and abyss when I was testing the .pack. I am sure I followed the guide for MabiPacker and also changed the .pack to read-only before launching the game.

Following are the codes in the xml I modified. I changed values under pet_shuttle_item, idle_pet, and specifically visualfield_radius for kristell doll.

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-16"?>
<aidescdata>
<template>
<var_decl>
<var name="visualfield_radius" default="600" />
<var name="audio_range" default="400" />
</var_decl>
<sensor visualfield_radius="%visualfield_radius" visualfield_angle="90" audio_range="%audio_range" />
<character return_to_startpoint="false" auto_respawn="false" target_type="always" support_type="none">
<!--race stringid="*/wolf/*" type="hate" / -->
</character>
<patterns>
<!-- 똑똑한 펫: 아이템 줍기 -->
<pattern name="pick_item">
<sequence>
<!-- 아이템이 있는지 검사한다 -->
<if condition="expr" expr="@check_enable_shuttle_item_in_dist">
<then>
<!-- 있다면 아이템 줍기를 시도한다. -->
<cmd name="pet_shuttle_item" success_msg="|" fail_msg="|" />
<cmd name="wait" min="100" max="100" />
</then>
<else>
<!-- 없다면 주위를 걍 돌아다닌다. -->
<cmd name="move_random" radius="300" run="true" timeout="3000" />
<cmd name="wait" min="3000" max="5000" />
</else>
</if>
</sequence>
</pattern>
</patterns>
<strategy>
<!-- 주인과 max_radius거리만큼 멀어지면 follow_radius거리안으로 주인에게 다가감 -->
<idle type="idle_pet" max_radius="2000" follow_radius="2000">
<pattern name="pick_item" />
</idle>
</strategy>
</template>
<definition race="Miku_toy">
<var_def>
<var name="visualfield_radius" value="7000" />
<var name="audio_range" value="800" />
</var_def>
</definition>
<definition race="Ruairi_toy">
<var_def>
<var name="visualfield_radius" value="7000" />
<var name="audio_range" value="800" />
</var_def>
</definition>
<definition race="Mari_toy">
<var_def>
<var name="visualfield_radius" value="7000" />
<var name="audio_range" value="800" />
</var_def>
</definition>
<definition race="Tarlach_toy">
<var_def>
<var name="visualfield_radius" value="7000" />
<var name="audio_range" value="800" />
</var_def>
</definition>
<definition race="Ferghus_toy">
<var_def>
<var name="visualfield_radius" value="7000" />
<var name="audio_range" value="800" />
</var_def>
</definition>
<definition race="Rtboy_toy">
<var_def>
<var name="visualfield_radius" value="7000" />
<var name="audio_range" value="800" />
</var_def>
</definition>
<definition race="Kristell_toy">
<var_def>
<var name="visualfield_radius" value="2000" />
<var name="audio_range" value="800" />
</var_def>
</definition>
<definition race="Reno_toy">
<var_def>
<var name="visualfield_radius" value="7000" />
<var name="audio_range" value="800" />
</var_def>
</definition>
<definition race="Va_toy">
<var_def>
<var name="visualfield_radius" value="7000" />
<var name="audio_range" value="800" />
</var_def>
</definition>
<definition race="Tion_toy">
<var_def>
<var name="visualfield_radius" value="7000" />
<var name="audio_range" value="800" />
</var_def>
</definition>
</aidescdata>


[Fl0rn]

I was trying to modify pick-up AIs for dolls. The modified xml file (aidescdata_autobot_vocaloid.xml, last updated in version 229, found under db\ai\local\) was working fine with abyss's data folder feature. When I used MabiPacker (version 1.2.1) to pack the said xml into a pack file I got NGS error after running the game for a few minutes. I also deleted the data mod and abyss when I was testing the .pack. I am sure I followed the guide for MabiPacker and also changed the .pack to read-only before launching the game.

Following are the codes in the xml I modified. I changed values under pet_shuttle_item, idle_pet, and specifically visualfield_radius for kristell doll.

Hm.  I'm afraid i won't be too terribly much help in this area.  I vaguely recall messing with my own doll ai at some point around version 230 i think, maybe a few before.  Something in the dolls i edited, i do believe caused me a crash, but i don't recall what it was i'm afraid.  I also am fairly certain it was a crasht hough, and not an NGS error.  I ended up only editing a few lines related specifically to 2 dolls i was using and giving up on the rest.  I later found out that making the dolls pick up fast, while nice, will cause major delays on the user end when you have multiple dolls, so do be careful when playing with the dolls.


At the moment, the only real advice i give is simply trial and error.  If you've narrowed down the specific file, only thing i personally am able to suggest, is extract the default dollai, with no changes, into your data folder and try running the game to make sure it doesn't cause any issues.  From there change specific feature or features, making note of what you changed, then re-apply mods and relaunch the game, emphasis on reapply, cuz you will have to remake the pack file if you made a change.  You can use this method to narrow down the source of the problem, may be one specific feature related part of the code, or possibly a simple oversight such as missing a part of the code.



I do want to take a moment though, to show appreciation for your attention to detail on that post.  It's extremely productive to list all that info, what you suspect is the problem, possible related files that may have caused problems, and specifically what you were attempting to do.  Even if i alone can't help much, that kind of info is what others will need if they're able to be of any help, so respect to you for seriously listening to our requests on submitting help request.

[Ulk]

Hm.  I'm afraid i won't be too terribly much help in this area.  I vaguely recall messing with my own doll ai at some point around version 230 i think, maybe a few before.  Something in the dolls i edited, i do believe caused me a crash, but i don't recall what it was i'm afraid.  I also am fairly certain it was a crasht hough, and not an NGS error.  I ended up only editing a few lines related specifically to 2 dolls i was using and giving up on the rest.  I later found out that making the dolls pick up fast, while nice, will cause major delays on the user end when you have multiple dolls, so do be careful when playing with the dolls.


At the moment, the only real advice i give is simply trial and error.  If you've narrowed down the specific file, only thing i personally am able to suggest, is extract the default dollai, with no changes, into your data folder and try running the game to make sure it doesn't cause any issues.  From there change specific feature or features, making note of what you changed, then re-apply mods and relaunch the game, emphasis on reapply, cuz you will have to remake the pack file if you made a change.  You can use this method to narrow down the source of the problem, may be one specific feature related part of the code, or possibly a simple oversight such as missing a part of the code.



I do want to take a moment though, to show appreciation for your attention to detail on that post.  It's extremely productive to list all that info, what you suspect is the problem, possible related files that may have caused problems, and specifically what you were attempting to do.  Even if i alone can't help much, that kind of info is what others will need if they're able to be of any help, so respect to you for seriously listening to our requests on submitting help request.

Thanks for the reply! I tested it like you said and something weird happened. I extracted the xml from the original pack file, put it in a data folder, and packed the folder back into a .pack without any changes to the code. Ran the game for a few minutes and then got NGS notice. I don't understand why it wouldn't work...

[Fl0rn]

Thanks for the reply! I tested it like you said and something weird happened. I extracted the xml from the original pack file, put it in a data folder, and packed the folder back into a .pack without any changes to the code. Ran the game for a few minutes and then got NGS notice. I don't understand why it wouldn't work...

So if you exclude that one file, the doll one, while retaining all of your other mods, can you confirm that NGS isn't triggering?

[Ulk]

So if you exclude that one file, the doll one, while retaining all of your other mods, can you confirm that NGS isn't triggering?

I tested with other mods and realized I must did something wrong when compressing the doll AI mod into .pack file. I put the memory card game .pack mod (released by Sharugami:https://mabimods.net/index.php?topic=17344.0) into the package folder without any other mods and it was working fine. Then I removed the mod, unpacked it, and packed it again back into the package folder. This time I got NGS notice after a few minutes. At this point I believe I did something wrong when making the .pack for my own doll AI mod.

Here's what I did for making the .pack file:
                     1. Ran MabiPacker 1.2.1 as administrator
                     2. Entered the directory for both data folder and package folder; package folder directory ends with the name of my .pack
                     3. Set version to 235(which is current game version) and compression level to 1 (as suggested by the guide) and pressed pack.
                     4. Changed the .pack generated in package folder to read-only
                     5. Used MabiDirectLaunch to lauch the game; got NGS notice after a few minutes.

I have no idea what I missed...Above steps are pretty much the same as those found in guides on forum. I know this is kind of long so I appreciate your patience

[Fl0rn]

That's my mabipacker setup.  Try raising your version number to be higher than the current game version.  That should give it priority over the game files.  I'm not certain, but it may be that setting your custom pack to the same version, is causing a conflict and thus tripping NGS.  I may be totally off-base, but it's worth a shot if nothing else.

As for compression level, i've honestly not touched it.  If there's a guide on this though, odds are you can follow the guide and be just fine, especially if it's the one provided by shaggyze.

https://mabimods.net/index.php?topic=17645.msg248085#msg248085

[Ulk]

That's my mabipacker setup.  Try raising your version number to be higher than the current game version.  That should give it priority over the game files.  I'm not certain, but it may be that setting your custom pack to the same version, is causing a conflict and thus tripping NGS.  I may be totally off-base, but it's worth a shot if nothing else.

As for compression level, i've honestly not touched it.  If there's a guide on this though, odds are you can follow the guide and be just fine, especially if it's the one provided by shaggyze.

https://mabimods.net/index.php?topic=17645.msg248085#msg248085

I just tried game version as 1000 and compression level as auto...Still got NGS notice

[ithric]

For Louge's mabipacker ive noticed even after the patcher is closed either a reboot or a task purge was needed to stop ngs from detecting the thing. Did a ton of trial and error testing a while back on this to confirm.

For the task purge option... I created a shortcut with this as the target:

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%windir%\system32\rundll32.exe advapi32.dll,ProcessIdleTasks
Following this as a procedure...
Use packer
Close packer
Run purge shortcut
Run mabi

[hillman101]

Once again, Abyss is being detected.

[TheDanglar]

Abys NGS strikes again!

[Kokimchi]

NGS error again prior to newest abyss

[Chacha]

Latest Abyss (R235.10) does, indeed, appear to be detected by NGS. Oh well~

Disregard. Seems to have been a false positive. My bad!

[crimsonfox7]

by any chance is the mod_sharker.dll still detected by NGS i ran a clean ini with the dll and i get ngs detection so im wondering if the dll is outdated and requires a patch by someone thats not plonecakes

[CelinusX]

Heads up!

Abyss presenting an NGS error 30 mins after the Maintenance today!

[jc2pb4jc2tk2]

Nexon is really putting a great efforts to update this bullcrap NGS. Patched 4 times in 3 days ...

It's detecting again now on the 10/21 update btw.

[BlindedDoll]

Nexon is really putting a great efforts to update this bullcrap NGS. Patched 4 times in 3 days ...

It's detecting again now on the 10/21 update btw.

If only they'd put a tenth of that effort to improving the game

[joy0123]

I think they update NGS at a fixed time. Especially around 10 AM
So I was playing around end of 9am, and suddenly I crashed and then when i logged on, NGS kicked in. Happened few days ago as well.

[Kokimchi]

Getting NGS error as well after crashing

[TheDanglar]

Getting NGS with Abyss now

[BlindedDoll]

Seems like NGS got updated. I just got hit out of the blue.

[ragiichaos]

currently double-checking but i do believe NGS started detecting today. (i say double checking cus a few days ago i said it was detecting but it really wasnt cus i had forgotten to update the abyss).

Edit: it is u should check it out boss.

[Kokimchi]

Seems like Abyss is getting detected again by NGS