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[GiratinaAltered]

It might be windows related problem because on windows 8.1 i had abbyss+tiara and never got any problem even now but since i went to 10 i cant use abyss but i can use tiara with the data packer

I have Windows 8.1 and Abyss haven't worked since the update. Not exactly a system problem. Even clean client players have reported to got kick. A few mins ago my guild mate just got kicked by NGS and he never mods, he just told me the only thing happening on his pc is McAfee trying to scan.
I'm just using Tiara+data packer as using Abyss won't work for me in the meantime.

[Mashirosan]

I have Windows 8.1 and Abyss haven't worked since the update. Not exactly a system problem. Even clean client players have reported to got kick. A few mins ago my guild mate just got kicked by NGS and he never mods, he just told me the only thing happening on his pc is McAfee trying to scan.
I'm just using Tiara+data packer as using Abyss won't work for me in the meantime.

I'm in the same situation as this. Abyss doesn't work for me since the patch, but Mashipack and data modification works on Windows 8.1

[mabinogiplayers]

Abyss on 8.1 worked for me since 2 day ago(when i updated to 10) now its not working, so just waiting or trying a few thing to see if something can fix it

[Jackiechang]

Maybe this will clear the air on some things if it hasn't already. I looked in this post and the abyss/tiara posts and seen nothing about whats going on in here so figure I'd post it here.
http://mabinogi.nexon.net/Community/forums#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1535407-NSG-has-detected-you-as-a-security-threat%2Fpage15%26nxid%3D10
Might not be the best part to leave off but you guys know how to read.

[ShaggyZE]

Maybe this will clear the air on some things if it hasn't already. I looked in this post and the abyss/tiara posts and seen nothing about whats going on in here so figure I'd post it here.
http://mabinogi.nexon.net/Community/forums#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1535407-NSG-has-detected-you-as-a-security-threat%2Fpage15%26nxid%3D10
Might not be the best part to leave off but you guys know how to read.

we are aware of the NGS Issues, workarounds are already in place and will be improved for the public in due time.

[romelitis]

Okay im pretty bad at this how do i make it load a .pack file for example UOTiara.pack

[Fl0rn]

Okay im pretty bad at this how do i make it load a .pack file for example UOTiara.pack

This is not what power patcher is for i don't believe.  Power patcher's main point, is as a replacement for the standard nexon patchers, mabi in specific.  If you have trouble with getting a mod to work, please go post in either their thread or tech support.  As you meantion UOTiara, that would be the starting point.  Make sure you've read the first post of the tiara thread, and supply details such as location of the file(s), what you have/haven't attempted within your area of knowledge, and any observed abnormalities.  This will great help with troubleshooting.

[Chacha]

Not sure if this was brought up already or not, but I renamed PowerPatcher.exe to something else (for lack of anything better, I renamed it to Powah.exe), and NGS does not appear to be kicking for it. I guess it's only checking for the PowerPatcher file name, not if it was running.

[Draconis.Pendragon]

Abyss was updated today 21JUL16.  Please see Blade's thread for details.  This is a test release, so be aware some things may not work as intended.  However, since Blade is trying to get Abyss to you as quickly as possible, here we have it.

[alexyukinagato]

abyss file "RenameMe.dll" from 21/7/2016 doesn't work, even after renaming it to "ijl11.dll"

Game crash when loading the world map, after the character selection screen.

[GiratinaAltered]

abyss file "RenameMe.dll" from 21/7/2016 doesn't work, even after renaming it to "ijl11.dll"

Game crash when loading the world map, after the character selection screen.

Please look into Abyss page for more details. As for this update, Abyss requires an injector to use RenameMe.dll. The injectors are in the front page of Abyss page and you do not name RenameMe.dll to ijl11.dll. ijl11.dll is no longer used to modified for Abyss mod to function. If you need a clean install of ijl11.dll after that rename by accident, look into the front page of Abyss also.

[alexyukinagato]

I don't seem to find the injector you mention. To make sure I'm looking at the correct page, do you mean "https://mabimods.net/index.php?topic=14126.0"?

Firefox mark the  new link of abyss and the other two after it as high risk sites. That's new.

[GiratinaAltered]

I don't seem to find the injector you mention. To make sure I'm looking at the correct page, do you mean "https://mabimods.net/index.php?topic=14126.0"?

Firefox mark the  new link of abyss and the other two after it as high risk sites. That's new.

You didn't miss it, those are the injectors. They are going to be detect by anti-virus/malware but they are false positives. If you do not prefer to use either, you may search up an injector online and see if you find one for your use.
Edit: It's also best to keep the troubleshooting to Abyss page to make it simpler and not bumping up this whole post.

[alexyukinagato]

ok, so i got few injectors now, but this new abyss is not enable right away.

Do we need to download both files or one of them?

How do i make the dll work after its injected?
Do i inject it into the client process?
Is there a certain moment to inject it for it to work?

[GiratinaAltered]

ok, so i got few injectors now, but this new abyss is not enable right away.

How do i make the dll work after its injected?
Do i inject it into the client process?
Is there a certain moment to inject it for it to work?

I think it's best to move your troubleshooting questions to Abyss as this post is not meant for it.

For RemoteDLL version

Thanks Fl0rn and Tsusanoe. That made it easier to understand for nub like me. So here's what I did.

1. Clean client
2. Place Abyss.ini and RenameMe.dll into Mabinogi folder, and change the name of RenameMe.dll
3. Place RemoteDll in Mabinogi folder
4. Run Mabinogi and RemoteDll in admin
5. Press play on Mabinogi launcher
6. You don't have much time, so you have to be pretty quick. For RemoteDll in the Process section you want to put client.exe and to DLL Name select whatever you renamed RenameMe.dll
7. Press Load DLL around the time NGS shows up at the bottom right hand corner and before the client window pops up.

Hope this helps fellow nubs such as myself.

Edit: I'm using Windows 10. I don't know if that makes a difference.

If NGS loads too quickly for the process of using RemoteDLL.

Do a dry run.  Load Mabinogi with Remote running.  Then look in your programs under remote.  Grab Client.exe from there.  Then close Mabinogi.  This worked for me.  Do be sure to check out the readme for it though.  Good luck.

PerX is similar but you can type in the client.exe in the box and select the .dll from the other selection and manual inject yourself(automatic does it too quickly and will not load all of Abyss it seems).

I do advise if you have anymore questions of functioning Abyss with the injector please go to Abyss page and possibly read around these posts or a page before/after it. https://mabimods.net/index.php?topic=14126.4700

[Fl0rn]

Sorry for the double-post, originally was trying to avoid another double post, but as i feel i did a notable test worth sharing i wanted to make sure it's clear that this thread is being kept up to date as best as possible.  If you feel there's something i should be testing or adding to this thread, by all means please do let me know.  I may not necessarily include it, but it does help to know what people feel should be mentioned at the very least, enough people wanting something mentioned will likely be all it takes for me to add something, even if i disagree.  This thread is to help others, not myself.


Now, the main relevant info for the last update:

So curiosity got the better of me.  Abyss makes me happy, i wanted to test Kanan's scripts though, primarily to make sure they worked.  There's only one atm, that i'm actually interested in as the rest are redundant because of the mods i have, and that one is no npc curtain. (no avon curtain i believe)

Some complications.  The script window would open the auto-close, which according to the read me meant there was a problem with my python.  So i uninstalled and reinstalled again.  Window worked fine.  Tried launching mabi twice, and each time my avast antivirus popped up saying it was scanning TEMP files.  Reason i point out it's temp is cuz i make exclusions for specific file paths, to prevent issues and undesired removal of programs i know are false positive.  Temp files directory, is one i will not make such an exclusion for.  This happened twice, which prevented kanan's scripts from working, the third time i opted to disable the antivirus for 10 mins so i could make sure that my antivirus was what was causing problems.  Sure enough, the third time worked.  Now for the details.



LOOK AT IT!  I'm not retyping everything there, you can see what i set up the scripts to do.
So, of the few things i tested, i confirm that abyss functions as desired.  Yes, i injected abyss successfully using only kanan's scripts and nothing else.  The other 3, the nonpccurtain fails.  I assume this is because, as with the other mods in kanan's scripts it's not written from scratch but pulled from other sources.  Ie, she's using the same one that i reported a while back, returns a success message but in fact does not work.  So the curtain itself still shows up.  In terms of the other two scripts, work as expected. 


So, i'd like to express thanks once again to kanan.  To lack some shame, i will say i really would like to see the avon curtain removal fixed.  But all in all, this does make injecting abyss easy, as well as running some other mods.  In the case that something happens like abyss going down again for a little while, this will be handy.  Sorry blade.  On that note, i would encourage others to try setting up the scripts to read abyss, if nothing else, because some people are having trouble injecting at the right time, and this may well be able to cut out all the mess you're dealing with.  Flip side, it may be a whole new mess, only testing will tell.

That quote should have all relevant info.  Don't see much reason to try and reword it with all the details i could think of covered there already.  The first post was edited with the essentials regarding Kanan's Scripts, in that it doesn't trip NGS and some bare essential info on it.  A link was supplied as well.  I'd encourage people to use the links if you want more info, as this is not a mod compilation thread but intended as info regarding NGS, and some relevant concerns regarding related mods.

I also updated the first post an hour or two ago to include mention of abyss being updated to require injecting now, but didn't want to double-post at that time as the info already seemed common knowledge.  As always, there is a basic edit log in the second post of this thread, see the spoiler.  So you can review it if you wish.  It really is meant to be basic, not in-depth details of word-by-word changes.

[Chocobubba]

Autobot has also done this for years, and gotten exact percentages based off of mabinogi class name and window caption, for it is to be done with multiclienting, but atm i believe Autobot is being detected again either by folder structure or filename, i'm not yet sure.

I can only speak from my experience, but I've had no issues with NGS detecting Autobot simply being there, though I haven't run it yet.

[ShaggyZE]

Not sure if this was brought up already or not, but I renamed PowerPatcher.exe to something else (for lack of anything better, I renamed it to Powah.exe), and NGS does not appear to be kicking for it. I guess it's only checking for the PowerPatcher file name, not if it was running.

we put all the NGS issues in it's own thread.

• Several modding tools are currently being detected if running while Mabinogi is running and should be closed beforehand or not used at all to avoid detection:
  changing the Window Caption of detected programs or filenames has been proven as possible methods to prevent NGS detection.
• Power Patcher 2.0
• Morrighan
• MabiPacker
• MabiUnpack
• DATA Packer
• AutoBot
• Cheat Engine

[Offen]

Hey, I need help extremely with this. I am having trouble and have been trying to get on mabi for like two months. I have reinstalled mabi a total of 50 times, Clean and modded both alike, Deleted most of the files on my system to try and stop it, I've tried ALOT. I don't know what the hell is wrong with it, because everytime I log in, I get in for about 5~10 minutes and then it kicks me.

No matter what I use, Tiara, frontend, Abyss, Powerpatcher, HShield, Mixing them, all of that, Etc.

Please help me. Contact me anyway you can on these please.



My steam: xDelemorlia
Skype: WakefieldAF
Discord: https://discord.gg/tmPVwHb
Kik: LCPLAlritori

[Fl0rn]

Hey, I need help extremely with this. I am having trouble and have been trying to get on mabi for like two months. I have reinstalled mabi a total of 50 times, Clean and modded both alike, Deleted most of the files on my system to try and stop it, I've tried ALOT. I don't know what the hell is wrong with it, because everytime I log in, I get in for about 5~10 minutes and then it kicks me.

No matter what I use, Tiara, frontend, Abyss, Powerpatcher, HShield, Mixing them, all of that, Etc.

Please help me. Contact me anyway you can on these please.



My steam: xDelemorlia
Skype: WakefieldAF
Discord: https://discord.gg/tmPVwHb
Kik: LCPLAlritori

I'm posting here atm, cuz i'm mostly afk so i won't be holding a decent convo.  I'll try adding you later in discord if i still have some questions and i'm not afk.


First question, have you gone over the first post extensively?  There's a lot of details on it, on what we've discovered and potential fixes.  There are still things we don't seem to know though.  I've glanced at the mabi forums a time or two, and heard that programs they'd use for work,  entirely unrelated to mabi, would trip the NGS.  As to the validity of this, and how far they've gone in confirming this, i can't say.  But with nexon's track record i wouldn't be surprised, and i can't honestly say that some generic control processes for certain hardware or OS wouldn't trip NGS.  I can vaguely recall one update mabi had locking out winXP users, i believe it was due to MSXspirit.dls, which i believe is no more than an audio type file.

You may try safe mode with networking, so you're running the bare essentials, and see if you can start mabi that way.  I don't even know that it'll work, but if it does then you can probably safely assume one of your background processes is the problem.

[Draconis.Pendragon]

Hey, I need help extremely with this. I am having trouble and have been trying to get on mabi for like two months. I have reinstalled mabi a total of 50 times, Clean and modded both alike, Deleted most of the files on my system to try and stop it, I've tried ALOT. I don't know what the hell is wrong with it, because everytime I log in, I get in for about 5~10 minutes and then it kicks me.

No matter what I use, Tiara, frontend, Abyss, Powerpatcher, HShield, Mixing them, all of that, Etc.

Please help me. Contact me anyway you can on these please.



My steam: xDelemorlia
Skype: WakefieldAF
Discord: https://discord.gg/tmPVwHb
Kik: LCPLAlritori

Please check your Skype, Discord and for a PM.

[MCgreeneye]

I'm having the same issue. I've tried absolutely everything. Deleted everything. Read over and over the first post to see if there was something I missed. I have no mod related files on my PC at all. I've done a clean install of the game at LEAST five times. I've tried killing NGS as i'm playing Mabinogi, but I still get booted and I don't know what to do anymore. I used to have Unofficial Tiara's Mod before it broke, and when it first broke i just clean installed and that was that. But with the latest maintenance I can't stay on for more than 10 minutes before "NGS Detects a security threat" Please help

My Skype - [email protected]

[Fl0rn]

To address those who are having problems, you will have to do more than skim or even read.  The first post i've tried to keep simple, to cover the well known and common issues.  I did remove an entry off of there that i'm contemplating on whether i should put back, do not kill the blackcipher/NGS process.  It sends a check to the server, killing this, you should always expect to crash.

Regarding getting help, in the first post we (i say we because i'm not the only one who helps or contributes to the first post) have requested certain info to be supplied, even gave a form layout for the info.  Now, we may try to help you, but if we feel we have to repeat the same questions, especially ones lined out in a stickied thread in the first post of the thread, this is the same as you not taking us seriously.  Yes, some of the members here will still be nice, give their all into helping you.  But this is still disrespectful to those who have made any effort into helping you, and can honestly stop you from getting more relevant responses in a faster manner, or even turn away some of the people who would help you, if you are not taking some of the basic steps requested of you, such as supplying us with relevant info.


I am not trying to be harsh and/or scare people away.  But as someone who walks both sides of helping and asking for help, (quite a bit actually) it is very frustrating to see basic formats regarding help submissions go completely ignored or just be overlooked repeatedly.  So please do read the first post, open it in a new tab so you can see it if needed, and try posting again with relevant info that proves to us that you are taking us seriously and not just asking for miracles.

[ShaggyZE]

I'm having the same issue. I've tried absolutely everything. Deleted everything. Read over and over the first post to see if there was something I missed. I have no mod related files on my PC at all. I've done a clean install of the game at LEAST five times. I've tried killing NGS as i'm playing Mabinogi, but I still get booted and I don't know what to do anymore. I used to have Unofficial Tiara's Mod before it broke, and when it first broke i just clean installed and that was that. But with the latest maintenance I can't stay on for more than 10 minutes before "NGS Detects a security threat" Please help

My Skype - [email protected]

just so you know, uo tiara never broke, it has three install methods...always, data packer (broke for some people), abyss (broke for everyone for a week) and mabipacker (some versions don't work for eveythone) so i put the full uotiara.pack and language.pack on uo tiara's download page so downloading these and placing them in your package folder means that uo tiara never broke.

other then pointing out that obvious fact as far as my perspective goes, and you doing a clean install 5 times, i can't say as to what specifically is causing your issue, you'll most likely need team viewer tech support, which i don't have time for atm.

[Draconis.Pendragon]

I'm having the same issue. I've tried absolutely everything. Deleted everything. Read over and over the first post to see if there was something I missed. I have no mod related files on my PC at all. I've done a clean install of the game at LEAST five times. I've tried killing NGS as i'm playing Mabinogi, but I still get booted and I don't know what to do anymore. I used to have Unofficial Tiara's Mod before it broke, and when it first broke i just clean installed and that was that. But with the latest maintenance I can't stay on for more than 10 minutes before "NGS Detects a security threat" Please help

My Skype - [email protected]

No one's issue is the exact same.  I've seen this many times now, and though similar yes, there were some differences (in call/teamview now). The literal only thing that anyone helping someone else has no control over,  is what a person decides to run in the background that Mabinogi doesn't like.  Now... think about that for a second, in order for Mabinogi not to like something it'd have to be in memory or affecting its files.  Let me say that again,  "affecting its files."  This relates to what is running in memory in both of your cases.  This is the only way that it's the same.  First thing I'd do is check the files related to NGS, NexonGuard as being current.  Then I'd check your packs.  After this I'd run the client clean to check after I made sure the rest was good.  After all, you need a good foundation to run with mods, much less to be able to run Mabi. Then, and only then, is it time to add mods.  I'd say start there.  In doing this, you'll learn to help yourself, and in doing so help others.  (I mean this in a good natured, and joking way). 

I'm more than willing to help you, but you also have to be willing to approach this from a different perspective too.  I laid out what I'd do so as to give you an idea how things proceed.  I won't be able to get to you tonight/this morning, but perhaps we can try later on, if you'd like to give it a go.