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Offline sora434

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« Reply #100 on: June 07, 2016, 08:06:58 pm »
I have a clean install of mabi currently. If i am understanding correctly, if i rename ijl15.dll to ijl15.dat then abyss/tiara should work without kicking me?

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Re: NGS Issues | PLEASE POST ALL OF THEM HERE |
« Reply #101 on: June 07, 2016, 08:12:10 pm »
I have a clean install of mabi currently. If i am understanding correctly, if i rename ijl15.dll to ijl15.dat then abyss/tiara should work without kicking me?
no, your not understanding correctly, that would leave you without a ijl15.dll
just download abyss from it's post or from uo tiara's installer and see if either works for you.
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Offline Vermilliontrigger

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« Reply #102 on: June 07, 2016, 10:31:47 pm »
Have you checked the logs for abyss?  They're in the mabi folder, should be something like abyss.log i believe.  Look for any fails in the log.

Have you tried toggling various features on/off for abyss, or flat out turning them all off?  Make sure you set them to 0, not delete the entries as deleting them just resets them to default, meaning some will be turned back on.

There were no fails in the log. And I mentioned that I turned all of the Abyss features off to test it. It was the files existing in there period that did it for me.

Offline Maxququzu00

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« Reply #103 on: June 08, 2016, 06:04:43 am »
I can confirm that the mods work following Roth's method.
Thanks.

I used Mabi Direct Launch btw to start.

Offline Jeen

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« Reply #104 on: June 08, 2016, 07:14:31 am »
Hey every one, first time posting. I wanted to share something. Im running windows 10 and i had alot of problems with moonshine and ngs. I managed to find a solution. In my case. Nexon launcher installs Mabis client as such "C:\Nexon\Library\mabinogi\appdata".. What i did was installed Advanced system  care and used the uninstaller it comes with to get rid of fronted,tiarra, and anything related nexon after that it shreds registry files. Then Fresh clean installed. Made a copy of the mabi folder to "C:\Nexon\Mabinogi\appdata".. For testing. What worked for me was
1.Install poison pack
2.Install latest abyss with the default ini setting. (nothing changed) even can use multi client and second pass
3.made my own data folder (yes it works) with costom ai's
4.place mabilauncher (the one on the abyss post) in same folder and client. and open as admin
 I havent been logged out by ngs anymore. Ive done several  tests and figured that (atleast in my case) Tirarra is the problem that causes the ngs loggouts.
Oh and modsharker works too for me. Im going to be trying out other mods. P.S..sorry for crapy post. im a noob


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« Reply #105 on: June 08, 2016, 08:12:36 am »
3.made my own data folder (yes it works) with costom ai's
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 I havent been logged out by ngs anymore. Ive done several  tests and figured that (atleast in my case) Tirarra is the problem that causes the ngs loggouts.

From the first post;

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It's recommended not to use Data Packer, it will cause a crash or produce unwanted results.  Try a program to make your own pack files.  In line with this, if you want to use tiara, you need to be doing this, the data folder needs to be compressed into a .pack file if you want the mods.

By having a data folder .pack, and the folder itself, it causes you to essentially have 2 of every file. NGS is scanning for data folder reading now, so you need to have that function in Abyss turned off.

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« Reply #106 on: June 08, 2016, 08:47:26 am »
the problem with using uo tiara mods in a data folder seems to be just with features.xml.compiled for realview reforge and visual chat, if you use this mod you need to have it in a .pack and deleted from the \data\ folder or have datafolder=0 in abyss.ini, they are only scanning for certain data folder mods and this is one of them.

also having 2 of every file exactly the same in \data\ folder and .pack won't cause ngs boot's or unwanted results.
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Offline furby4537568

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« Reply #107 on: June 08, 2016, 09:17:55 am »
Aha, I was unaware of this Shaggy. Mind, my mabi decided to break itself and is being mean, so I haven't been really able to test as much as I'd like. zzz


Thanks for clarifying

Offline Jeen

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« Reply #108 on: June 08, 2016, 09:21:00 am »
From the first post;

By having a data folder .pack, and the folder itself, it causes you to essentially have 2 of every file. NGS is scanning for data folder reading now, so you need to have that function in Abyss turned off.

the only pack i have is the poison pack and my data folder is practically empty and i use it only for certain mods such as wand proff ai or Music skill ai.i do not think i have two of every file and no i dont have to have that function off since its not causing me any problems.  :P

I would however like to know if there is a way restart the abyss ini while im logged in. For example. im training support shot so i set my range skill to default support but rather having to close the game ,change the setting back to normal range, then logg in again. Is there a better way?

Offline Rydian

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« Reply #109 on: June 08, 2016, 11:41:51 am »
Data folder reading works for some people, like me.

If you have ExtraThreads on in Abyss, right-click the title bar of Mabinogi and you can toggle a lot of stuff on the fly there.

Offline Mashirosan

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« Reply #110 on: June 08, 2016, 12:44:30 pm »
I forgot to mention one thing. If anyone is having trouble running my mods through ngs, please let me know.
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Offline Lady Playtime

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« Reply #111 on: June 08, 2016, 01:31:21 pm »
I notice your how to install lists instructions to use the data packer.
Is this not a currently (for lack of better term) broken method?

I've been a bit busy lately to keep up with recent events and information regarding the NGS due to health concerns, but data packer issues keep coming up.

Just curious if I've missed something here, or if that's no longer used.
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Offline Mashirosan

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« Reply #112 on: June 08, 2016, 02:15:00 pm »
I have no problems personally with my data folder method. I have windows 8.
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Offline Dennou

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« Reply #113 on: June 08, 2016, 04:03:32 pm »
Uhm... I've added that to my last post in the Abyss thread, but this may be more suitable place for it.

Recently got kicked with Abyss, DataFolder=0 and custom pack (yup, deleted the data folder too).

Have been running clean Mabi with just a custom pack for a while without problems.
Launched another instance, played for almost 3h with Abyss and even Morrighan and didn't get kicked.
For that note... Those 2 NGS packets are a bit odd... The data that client sends look kind of like random dumps from game's memory.

Offline Vyzual

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« Reply #114 on: June 09, 2016, 12:11:59 am »
I think the server restart or something might've stopped me from getting kicked. I followed Rothchild's method and I haven't dc'd after the standard 5mins.

Clean install (Deleted appdata/patchdata folders, reinstalled through Nexon launcher)
Used a custom .pack (Tiara + OMJ)
Threw in Abyss with a few things disabled, including data folder. I used the 2014 abyss from the original Abyss post. (Was going to test Tiara after with the 2016)

Logged in, after a couple minutes, started CC'ing. Maybe about 3 or 4 before I just sat there. Didn't get booted after 5 minutes. (Probably should've tested a bit longer, but my excitement got to me)

I closed client, relogged. I didn't cc this time and I've been sitting here for about 15 minutes now. No boot.

Not sure if anything changed from this server restart, but I'm somewhat confused because these are the things I was doing before today's maintenance, which got me booted. I will update this post if anything were to change.

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Re: NGS Issues | PLEASE POST ALL OF THEM HERE |
« Reply #115 on: June 09, 2016, 12:27:30 am »
I have been changing UO Tiara to help, so it's possible that's what has changed for you, though i still have to add a few more things to prevent people from installing it wrong.

btw Rothchild had been using StoopidPeople's method who was using my method from the MabiPacker guide otherwise Rothchild would only be using a clean client until he realized clean client+abyss worked fine not knowing it was mostly likely a data folder mod being detected previously here and here, and all those past posts were wrong to assume only .custom packs worked because of the trouble some people are having getting Abyss to work, me included during those 3 days attempting to show alternative methods or getting Abyss to work here and then once you do have a working \data\ folder or .pack and have Abyss working well then your just using the normal method aren't you?

seems the main problem with uo tiara has been the detection of features.xml.compiled, only when it is in the data folder.

mods are still working 10+ minutes using Abyss+UO Tiara(data folder with features.xml.compiled removed from data folder and/or UO Tiara.pack with features.xml.compiled present, used official language.pack during this test since i used the Official Launcher)+Official launcher with UO Tiara.pack set as read-only+Power Patcher 2.0, MabiDirectLaunch.exe and "Launch Client" shortcut.  As well as AutoBot, DATA Packer.exe(haven't used due to it being unstable at times), mod_sharker.dll present in Mabinogi root, but not loaded into Abyss.ini though it is working when i do, but i could care less for the mods it provides at this time.
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Offline Fl0rn

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« Reply #116 on: June 09, 2016, 12:02:17 pm »
Sorry haven't been doing a good job at keeping up with things the past couple days.  So atm, it is confirmed abyss and tiara will work with something like data packer, but specific files, i believe such as features.xml.compiled, are the only thing triggering the crash?

Is there anything else noticed/discovered that i've overlooked?

Just wanting to be 100% clear so i can make sure the first post/edits are cleaned up appropriately as well.

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« Reply #117 on: June 10, 2016, 01:19:15 am »
btw Rothchild had been using StoopidPeople's method who was using my method from the MabiPacker guide otherwise Rothchild would only be using a clean client until he realized clean client+abyss worked fine not knowing it was mostly likely a data folder mod being detected previously
Slightly confused as to what you are stating Shaggy.  StoopidPeople didn't post a "method". He corrected me when I stated .packs weren't working. I was detected when testing clean client+.pack file. What caused this false detection was me having logue's datapacker open during the test which I didn't know was detected by NGS at the time being. I apologize for that. Btw after I got my .pack working none of my data mods were being detected and I was playing fine with just .pack for the time being. What was being detected for me was the Abyss that came with the Tiara 228 installer as I stated here

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Re: NGS Issues | PLEASE POST ALL OF THEM HERE |
« Reply #118 on: June 10, 2016, 01:36:13 am »
I don't even consider them anyone's method, but that correction he made is one of the 3 modding methods, that you started using, but as i stated these are all normal methods, Tiara itself has been using all 3 (Abyss, DATA Packer and MabiPacker) options for 2+ years, btw as i mentioned before Tiara uses the same Abyss that's on Blade's first post, except i believe in tests that Draconis did, tbstewa's mirror has an old Abyss.ini, so it wasn't the Abyss that was getting you detected it was most likely features.xml.compiled in your data folder as that is the only file that gets detected from Tiara including Abyss.

anyway my point is for people not to follow a specific persons "method" due to the fact we've all been wrong about multiple things in our past posts, or things have changed since then so it's better for people to focus on the first post.
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Offline makyss

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« Reply #119 on: June 12, 2016, 04:47:23 am »
Seem to be Working fine.


DATAPacker = NGS Error
CrackShield = NGS Error
CustomPack mods = works
Latest Abyss = works
Mod_Sharker = works
CustomPack mods + Latest Abyss = works
CustomPack mods + Latest Abyss + Mod_Sharker = works
Latest Abyss + Mod_Sharker = works

Also got some tools to work like CE, Autoit Scripts,  and some personal things I have been working on.

If it helps anyone out.
1. Remove all DataFolder mods by running DATAPacker as admin and clicking remove.
2. Remove DATAPacker, UpPack.inf, dinput8.dll, HSLaunch, and anything remaining of Crackshield from your mabinogi installation directory.
-Take It All Out-Dont Use DATAPacker-Dont Use Data Folder-Dont Use CrackShield-
"DATAPacker might work for others" Has not worked for me. I Get kicked via NGS Error after a few mins.
3. Update Client to latest ver. once you have the client updated fallow the next step.
4. Install PoisonPack by downloading it. Then extracting the PoisonPack folder found in the  PoisonPackR227.zip download to the package folder found in your mabinogi installation directory.
5. In the PoisonPackR227.zip download. Take the MabiDirectLaunch found in the MultiClient Support Folder out and place it in mabinogi installation directory. Make a shortcut for MabiDirectLaunch so you can place it on your desktop for quick access
6. Install The Latest Abyss along with the updated ijl15.dat file. Make sure the ijl15.dat file is the latest updated one. If you think it will help here is my Abyss.ini configuration that i will offer at the end.
7. -optional- Install Latest Mod Sharker. Have Abyss Load it for you.
This is just optional! If your not use to mod_sharker or dont kno how to use it. I would not install it then. leave that out and change the option in Abyss to load .DLL files by deleting the dll file name in your Abyss.ini

 -Should look somthing like so-
You will want to change LoadDLL=mod_sharker.dll

Code: [Select]
;Load any DLL you want here. The DLL's you want to load must be in your
; Mabinogi folder. Separate the DLL's with commas.
; Example: LoadDLL=HackSlash.dll,mod_sharker.dll
LoadDLL=mod_sharker.dll

To look like the code below so there are not any .dll file names present in the Abyss.ini configuration

Code: [Select]
;Load any DLL you want here. The DLL's you want to load must be in your
; Mabinogi folder. Separate the DLL's with commas.
; Example: LoadDLL=HackSlash.dll,mod_sharker.dll
LoadDLL=

8. Almost forgot, Make sure to Run the MabiDirectLaunch as Admin. Use Direct launch to start your game unless you have a modded launcher of sorts. Do not start your Game Via NexonLauncher. It might work for some of you I doubt it tho. It gives me NGS Error launching from NexonLauncher.

Here is my Abyss.ini configuration below


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« Reply #120 on: June 12, 2016, 11:47:11 pm »
thanks for going in depth with some things, would be nice if parts of it could be used in the first post but everything you mentioned is in the first post or abyss.ini already except for the optional things like poison pack would be referred to as a custom pack, but the way the first post is written is to guide, but not spoon feed, so that not all the work is done for them, and not to assume one thing or another will work for everyone as it differs, but regardless thanks again for your post.
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Offline Kokimchi

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« Reply #121 on: June 14, 2016, 12:40:35 pm »
Abyss and Tiara run just fine without me being kicked, but I try to use autobot it kicks me for NSG detected. There is way to run autobot without being kicked?

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« Reply #122 on: June 14, 2016, 01:09:07 pm »
Not at the moment, as far as i can tell, renaming the exe and running it by source with AutoIt is also causing NGS detection now, so until i test what they are detecting from AutoBot and change it or a bypass is made we'll have to search for other means of running macro's, like maybe back to AutoHotkey or other Mouse/Key Recorders or I may just reprogram AutoBot in another language if need be and I'm motivated enough.

Edit:
After further testing it appears just changing the Window Caption might be a solution to avoid the detection, so I'll test more and provide an update later today or tomorrow.

Edit2:
Added caption=Aut0B0t to config.ini so you can now change the Window Caption each time NGS adds it to their detection list and avoid it.
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« Reply #123 on: June 14, 2016, 08:22:27 pm »
Has anyone had any success with Morrighan? I tried running it through power patcher but power patcher alone kicks me. The one click morrighan launcher also kicks me. Any ideas or will it simply not work these days?

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« Reply #124 on: June 15, 2016, 02:23:34 am »
have you tried mabidirectlaunch.exe, first post of abyss's thread.
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