Mabinogi and Windows 10

[Lady Playtime]

Does this method with vindictus still work? I can't seem to get it to work, and vindictus runs fine if I let it go without trying to crash it.

Yes, see first post for an easy way to crash it.

[Fenrir]

Might be a dumb question, but if you use the Vindictus method won't you have a 1gb zombie process? That might be an issue for players with lower end or older pc.

[Lady Playtime]

Through my method (the click not responding click spam one) doesn't appear to leave a process.
However, I have not really cared much to look into that,  more than a skip glace at my processes.

[Lady Playtime]

Due to large number of people still asking questions about this... Topic is now stickied, and moved to tech support.  Until Nexon releases a patch for this, it needs to be seen.

It'll be removed as soon as the game is patched for this.

[Psychedelic trip out]

It took me a while as I kept running into other annoying little issues, but eventually I got it down. Thank you so much, you are a saint! It's such a simple process but my computer made it difficult. Dx

[Anthony]

I can't believe how stupid Nexon is about this. The preview has been out for 6+ months and they had plenty of time to make the game work on the new platform.

Also of course this is the time I decide to try to come back to the game.

[「★Ｓ２９★シ」]

I can't believe how stupid Nexon is about this. The preview has been out for 6+ months and they had plenty of time to make the game work on the new platform.

Also of course this is the time I decide to try to come back to the game.

The problem isn't really the client. The client works just fine in W10. It's hackshield that's been causing a conflict.

Here's the situation that Nexon has to handle out. The main hackshield engine has not been updated since 2013. which is why the crackshield bypass has been working for years after every update. So, In order for Mabinogi to work for windows 10 Nexon needs to update the HS License. But do get this, If they do decide to update the hackshield engine, then crackshield breaks down. Which renders the abyss patcher useless.

There's also a slight rumor that nexon might abandon Hackshield all together. XIGNCODE3 is already included in Vindictus.

[yanray]

Maybe my situation is just a unique case but when I upgraded to 10 it worked just fine with crackshield and abyss

it wasnt until I used other mods that I started having problems with the uncloseable invisible client.exe

Also I tried the vindi method a few times and I can't seem to get it to work :/

My mouse cursor freezes when I close crackshield too lol

it's all a big mess

[Fl0rn]

My mouse cursor freezes when I close crackshield too lol

Using win10 my cursor was freezing after closing crackshield.  After this most recent update, i don't seem to have that issue though.  May just be coincidence and it'll pop up again, who knows.

[Lady Playtime]

Using win10 my cursor was freezing after closing crackshield.  After this most recent update, i don't seem to have that issue though.  May just be coincidence and it'll pop up again, who knows.

Mouse becoming unusable is actually more common of an issue that you'd think.  It's not just Crackshield, programs such as XSplit do the same thing, but while running instead of when closed.

I've now found 6 different programs that screw with your mouse.

[Lady Playtime]

There's also a slight rumor that nexon might abandon Hackshield all together. XIGNCODE3 is already included in Vindictus.

XIGNCODE3... That's also the thing Atlantica uses as it's main.
I felt like playing this game again today randomly... I used to be a closed beta tested for it when nDoors still ran it.

Curious to see how ruined it is, now that Nexon got their hands on it... When I noticed this start running

[kohelo]

For those who are having problems I have a solution



For me the Vindictus Method never worked either, and the process of getting it to work was too much (also required me to download vindictus again) The "crashing on purpose method" really didn't work either because my mouse kept freezing, But I guess this is kind of a Crashing on purpose method too, but it works about 100% of the time, for anyone on windows 10, Tried multiple computer, and once you get the hang of the process it's the fastest method out there, you can do it in like 2 minutes. The only bad thing about this is that for people who don't want Tiara for whatever reason would need it to get this to work

[Lady Playtime]

So has anybody cared to look at your notifications?

I was modifying my task bar to be the way I like it


And then I noticed this:

[Fl0rn]

So has anybody cared to look at your notifications?

I was modifying my task bar to be the way I like it


And then I noticed this:

Interesting...
I looked before i ever launched mabi, to see what was in various settings and such.  I looked again after seeing that post, same issue.  I turned all but 1 off now.

[Fl0rn]

Interesting...
I looked before i ever launched mabi, to see what was in various settings and such.  I looked again after seeing that post, same issue.  I turned all but 1 off now.

Want to expand on that.  I launched crackshield twice today.  After each one i checked the notification center, and it added a new entry for crackshield each time.  As of this moment, i don't know how to prevent it, or even remove the current entries.  As it's nothing major, i'm in no rush to figure it out.

[Lady Playtime]

Want to expand on that.  I launched crackshield twice today.  After each one i checked the notification center, and it added a new entry for crackshield each time.  As of this moment, i don't know how to prevent it, or even remove the current entries.  As it's nothing major, i'm in no rush to figure it out.

I will look into this. 
This bothers the hell out of me, especially now that I've just freshly reformatted my PC.

[Fl0rn]

I will look into this. 
This bothers the hell out of me, especially now that I've just freshly reformatted my PC.

Well, if ya figure it out, give us a post will ya?

I know of several programs that add an icon to the sidebar.  Skype and puush are popular examples.  I'm wondering it it's something along the lines of these programs reserve their spot in the side bar, for every time they start up.  And if crackshield maybe creates an icon when you click it, to temporarily place in the side bar, and if that means it gets a new notification every time due to it not having a reserved spot but a new but identical icon.

Btw, that may either sound smart or really dumb.  Cuz i really have no clue on the specifics or coding of either the side bar or crackshield.  Just taking a shot in the dark based on stupid past experiences and what i expect of logic from computers and such.

[Lady Playtime]

Well, if ya figure it out, give us a post will ya?

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HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced
This appears to be the general location (other settings in other places nearby) for notifications, but I've not yet found the location of the individual notifications.  Just generalized settings, such as the notification pop ups themselves, and if they show or not from your task bar or auto-hide.

Also that I have 5 programs on notification as of finding this location.

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HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Notifications/Current
Can't say what these are yet, as they have no registry entry aside from the (default)... Shouldn't be that difficult to figure out how to remove crackshield from there, once I can confirm it's in the registry... Can't imagine it anywhere else.

[kohelo]

With the latest update they made it easier to get it to work, all you really have to do is Run HSLaunch.exe if you have Tiara, then log off your computer(not restart) then log back on to the same account, Once you start Mabinogi, log in, run HSUpdate.vbs, if it says hackshield is already running after you run it then it worked so run HSLaunch.exe again and press retry on the mabinogi to reconnect the craskhield. If you don't have tiara then the only other way to o it is through the Vinictus method, but the problem definitely lies in Nexon's faulty hackshield and the only reason why they haven't fixed it is because they will most likely have to fix the whole thing to get it to where it would be compatible with Windows 10

[kohelo]

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HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced
This appears to be the general location (other settings in other places nearby) for notifications, but I've not yet found the location of the individual notifications.  Just generalized settings, such as the notification pop ups themselves, and if they show or not from your task bar or auto-hide.

Also that I have 5 programs on notification as of finding this location.

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HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Notifications/Current
Can't say what these are yet, as they have no registry entry aside from the (default)... Shouldn't be that difficult to figure out how to remove crackshield from there, once I can confirm it's in the registry... Can't imagine it anywhere else.

Ah, I ran into this a while back, I believe this happens when crackshield becomes corrupted or something,This usually happens to me after an update or 2 It is a minor issue none the less, but somethings can be the reason why Mabinogi won't work. It doesn't really have a registry either, or at least one that I found. The only method that I know of to get rid of it is download Iobit Power Uninstaller(recommended) , or any other uninstaller, and power unistall it. Then you just restart your computer and add the crackshield/Abyss back into your Mabinogi folder.

[Lady Playtime]

and the only reason why they haven't fixed it is because they will most likely have to fix the whole thing to get it to where it would be compatible with Windows 10

Nexon doesn't even own Hackshield, therefore cannot fix it.
They have a license for it, which they would need to renew/update.  If an updated version even exists. 

Ah, I ran into this a while back, I believe this happens when crackshield becomes corrupted or something,This usually happens to me after an update or 2 It is a minor issue none the less, but somethings can be the reason why Mabinogi won't work. It doesn't really have a registry either, or at least one that I found. The only method that I know of to get rid of it is download Iobit Power Uninstaller(recommended) , or any other uninstaller, and power unistall it. Then you just restart your computer and add the crackshield/Abyss back into your Mabinogi folder.

Please don't double post.  There is an edit button for a reason.

And this is not why it doesn't work.  This is simply the notification settings in Windows. It's a simple on/off toggle on weather or not that "Crackshield is now running" pop up window appears, or does not appear.
It is a separate entity than Crackshield.

And I will never use an uninstaller.  If I want something removed, I will remove it the proper way, and do so myself.
Hence the registry paths I posted.

[Fl0rn]

So, yesterday i made the mistake of trying to launch mabi without mods.  Ended up screwing up my game somehow.  Couldn't get to the 2nd password screen with mods, it froze while loading it every time.  It also wouldn't let me close crackshield.  I updated hackshield and tried putting crackshield in compatibility mode for win 7, didn't work.  Without mods... it didn't even get to the log-in screen.

Ended up updating vindictus last night.  Ran it then went to bed, cuz it took too long to update and i wasn't staying up to troubleshoot a game.
Tried mabi after i got up, with no mods.  Hackshield error 00000204.  Means hackshield is already running.  Launched vindictus no issue, tried mabi again at the same time and then again after closing vindi, same error.  Logged off my pc account, logged back in.  So that any instances of the game and hackshield would be turned off.  Tried mabi again, same error.

Told crackshield to change compatability to auto-detect, applied mods, and started mabi.  Works now.  Real pain in the butt for no apparent reason.  I can't figure out why mabi failed to work, but vindictus did.  If it were both, i could assume it were a service being mistaken for hackshield or something, but since only one game had issues, i would assume it's a problem with that specific game's hackshield files.  And since i ran an update, i can only imagine the hackshield updated is either ineffective or i'm just otherwise stumped.

[Lady Playtime]

So, yesterday i made the mistake of trying to launch mabi without mods.  Ended up screwing up my game somehow.  Couldn't get to the 2nd password screen with mods, it froze while loading it every time.  It also wouldn't let me close crackshield.  I updated hackshield and tried putting crackshield in compatibility mode for win 7, didn't work.  Without mods... it didn't even get to the log-in screen.

Ended up updating vindictus last night.  Ran it then went to bed, cuz it took too long to update and i wasn't staying up to troubleshoot a game.
Tried mabi after i got up, with no mods.  Hackshield error 00000204.  Means hackshield is already running.  Launched vindictus no issue, tried mabi again at the same time and then again after closing vindi, same error.  Logged off my pc account, logged back in.  So that any instances of the game and hackshield would be turned off.  Tried mabi again, same error.

Told crackshield to change compatability to auto-detect, applied mods, and started mabi.  Works now.  Real pain in the butt for no apparent reason.  I can't figure out why mabi failed to work, but vindictus did.  If it were both, i could assume it were a service being mistaken for hackshield or something, but since only one game had issues, i would assume it's a problem with that specific game's hackshield files.  And since i ran an update, i can only imagine the hackshield updated is either ineffective or i'm just otherwise stumped.

I can't say if it matters at all, since I've not checked other games at all...

However Mabinogi still has NexonGuard, and vindictus uses another 2 things, and Atlantica also using different things.

The different services being used on the different games may explain why it works sometimes and doesn't other times... But again, I can't confirm anything I'm saying right now.

[kohelo]

Nexon doesn't even own Hackshield, therefore cannot fix it.
They have a license for it, which they would need to renew/update.  If an updated version even exists. 

Please don't double post.  There is an edit button for a reason.

And this is not why it doesn't work.  This is simply the notification settings in Windows. It's a simple on/off toggle on weather or not that "Crackshield is now running" pop up window appears, or does not appear.
It is a separate entity than Crackshield.

And I will never use an uninstaller.  If I want something removed, I will remove it the proper way, and do so myself.
Hence the registry paths I posted.

1st thing, sorry for double posting... but FL0rn also did it FYI...

Secondly, I didn't mean that Nexon has their own hackshield I meant that the hackshield they use, and even if they did own it, they still wouldn't worry about fixing it too much because currently they are working on another project which may be released later this year, or sometime next year, (i believe it might be Mabinogi's replacement)

3rd, Nexon's games vary in the Hackshield that they use because 1, Alantica Online was bought from another company, a hack prevention was already in place, similar to what's now being used in it (Xigncode). Vindictus is way newer than Mabinogi is so Mabinogi being the older game, was probably not compatible with the Hackshield but Nexon didn't think this would be a problem sense Mabinogi already had a working Hackshield.

I read the statement wrong, I didn't know it was the notifications that were bugging you, my fault, but crakshield and client.exe both get stuck in a loop to where they won't close and Crakshield will open more than once.Also, I understand you are a "do it yourself" type of guy, that's cool, but the thing about OS is that they hide a lot from you, the same entry could be in many different places without you evening knowing, if you are skilled with computers you'll most likely be able to find them, but it will take you awhile, Like you said in the post before, you weren't really sure about that registry, well a program made to do specifically that  task would be superior to your guessing. But, it's just like using pen and graphing paper to a graphing calculator, you're the type to use the graphing paper, I would use the graphing calculator and sure you can get the same answer, but it'll be less accurate and take more time, but hey what do I know i'm still young

[Fl0rn]

1st thing, sorry for double posting... but FL0rn also did it FYI...

That depends on the time between posts, the significance of the double post, and possibly some other factor(s).  You literally made a post 5 minutes later on the same day, rather than just edit it into the bottom.  In a span of 5 minutes, not many people would have noticed your post.  And the significance of it... well i'm not judging that.