[September 3, 2023]Abyss Patcher

[storagemule]

Please read back about 4-5 pages to get an exact idea as to what currently going on.  Once you understand this, then you'll know.  If anyone were to just tell you, then we'd be stealing that opportunity from you to learn.  If you're going to use mods, then please try to understand some of the basics.  Often times we have to trouble shoot our own problems in order to provide the info needed to those that need it in order to fix it.

I've already read those pages. People are saying it's an issue with Crackshield, but not everyone using abyss and crackshield are currently having this issue.  So it still doesn't identify where the problem is exactly.  If this was due to crackshield, wouldn't everyone running it have this problem?

[akumati]

Just a quick question regarding the installation of Abyss. I plan to use it, but i want to keep 2 separate mabi folders. (One for steam, unmodded, the other from the nexon launcher, with abyss built in.) I'm doing this because I've been told that using bot scripts with abyss working practically removes all chances of hackshield detecting a script running. I just want to be safe basically.

It might be an obvious answer but, if I install abyss into my nexon launcher mabi folder, will my steam mabi launch modless?

[cloudmagus]

It might be an obvious answer but, if I install abyss into my nexon launcher mabi folder, will my steam mabi launch modless?

It will.

[Draconis.Pendragon]

I've already read those pages. People are saying it's an issue with Crackshield, but not everyone using abyss and crackshield are currently having this issue.  So it still doesn't identify where the problem is exactly.  If this was due to crackshield, wouldn't everyone running it have this problem?

I respectfully disagree.  You're basing what you say on assumptions not actual facts of what's been discussed thus far.  Based on this that you've said here, I feel that you haven't "actually" read it and branched out (this is necessary).  There's a few other threads on the forums including the "R203 Modding Report" which discuss this at length.  It's not that many of us mind helping you, it's just that you need to help us to help you and be willing to accept what others try to tell you in order to help you.  If you can't do that via your own choosing, then no one can help you. 

On a quick note, yes, many that are using Windows 8.x and sporadic groups of 7 have this issue.  Most of Windows 7 users don't have these issues, but they aren't ruled out entirely.  The problems aren't identified either as they're still in progress of being discussed as mentioned within this thread... =/

[jpalmss]

Just letting you know, i'm on windows 7 and am getting the bug trap error as well

[storagemule]

I respectfully disagree.  You're basing what you say on assumptions not actual facts of what's been discussed thus far.  Based on this that you've said here, I feel that you haven't "actually" read it and branched out (this is necessary).  There's a few other threads on the forums including the "R203 Modding Report" which discuss this at length.  It's not that many of us mind helping you, it's just that you need to help us to help you and be willing to accept what others try to tell you in order to help you.  If you can't do that via your own choosing, then no one can help you. 

On a quick note, yes, many that are using Windows 8.x and sporadic groups of 7 have this issue.  Most of Windows 7 users don't have these issues, but they aren't ruled out entirely.  The problems aren't identified either as they're still in progress of being discussed as mentioned within this thread... =/

So you're basically just confirming what I'm saying - that there has not been a specific solution found yet, nor has the specific cause been identified.  That's all I needed to know.  I wanted to see if anyone had already found something out about this exact issue (other than speculation that Crackshield is the problem), and thus asked the question again to see if anyone else may have encountered and resolved that issue in the time between my post and the last relevant post on the subject.

Your first response implied that the source of the problem had already been identified and that I would know what exactly was causing issue had I read the last few pages and learned about modding more, when no one here knows exactly what's causing the issue.

[Draconis.Pendragon]

Just a quick question regarding the installation of Abyss. I plan to use it, but i want to keep 2 separate mabi folders. (One for steam, unmodded, the other from the nexon launcher, with abyss built in.) I'm doing this because I've been told that using bot scripts with abyss working practically removes all chances of hackshield detecting a script running. I just want to be safe basically.

It might be an obvious answer but, if I install abyss into my nexon launcher mabi folder, will my steam mabi launch modless?

I personally haven't used Steam very much, but if I recall correctly, Steam has:
\Program Files\Steam\Steamapps\Common

original Mabinogi via Nexon itself is of course:
\Nexon\Mabinogi

If you install it into:
\Nexon\Mabinogi
but not into:
\Program Files\Steam\Steamapps\Common
Then of course it'd only be in:
\Nexon\Mabinogi
Your Steam installation would be modless as long as you don't put anything in there.

[Draconis.Pendragon]

So you're basically just confirming what I'm saying - that there has not been a specific solution found yet, nor has the specific cause been identified.  That's all I needed to know.  I wanted to see if anyone had already found something out about this exact issue (other than speculation that Crackshield is the problem), and thus asked the question again to see if anyone else may have encountered and resolved that issue in the time between my post and the last relevant post on the subject.

Your first response implied that the source of the problem had already been identified and that I would know what exactly was causing issue had I read the last few pages and learned about modding more, when no one here knows exactly what's causing the issue.

My apologies, this is a misnomer as to a specific one particular problem--rather one solution being found.  Only Step and Blade of course can entirely confirm some things.  However, when I was posting I was requesting that others attempt to confirm and replicate what I'd done.  Too often we as a community don't help those that work on this and they do this without very much in the line of gratitude or cooperation of others.  This admittedly bothers me a bit.  A good analogy to use, is like bothering the mechanic while they have their head in your car while it's running.  Rather perhaps an even better one is to bother a doctor (surgeon) while they have their hands inside of a body while doing surgery... Both things I mention aren't too terribly bright... The best thing we can do to help them is to be constructive in any criticism (when it's time), and help whenever asked.  Sometimes, that even means being silent.

So for now I feel it's best that we report what we find, and keep the chit chat to a minimum until things are ironed out,  There's a enough that they have to wade through to separate the wheat from the chaff in order to get things done.

A note about your posts:
https://mabimods.net/index.php?topic=14126.msg240021#msg240021 Was posted on: May 15, 2015, 08:44:59 PM

Then you posted on: May 15, 2015, 09:17:36 PM:
https://mabimods.net/index.php?topic=14126.msg240023#msg240023

You have a total of 7 posts as of this moment--2 of which are in reference to your concerns.  There's a window of barely over half an hour there on the posts I've referenced.  Yes... Hard as it may be for many I feel that patience is in order.  I'm sorry there's no answer yet, as it's being discussed and worked on.  We shall see...

[storagemule]

My apologies, this is a misnomer as to a specific one particular problem--rather one solution being found.  Only Step and Blade of course can entirely confirm some things.  However, when I was posting I was requesting that others attempt to confirm and replicate what I'd done.  Too often we as a community don't help those that work on this and they do this without very much in the line of gratitude or cooperation of others.  This admittedly bothers me a bit.  A good analogy to use, is like bothering the mechanic while they have their head in your car while it's running.  Rather perhaps an even better one is to bother a doctor (surgeon) while they have their hands inside of a body while doing surgery... Both things I mention aren't too terribly bright... The best thing we can do to help them is to be constructive in any criticism (when it's time), and help whenever asked.  Sometimes, that even means being silent.

So for now I feel it's best that we report what we find, and keep the chit chat to a minimum until things are ironed out,  There's a enough that they have to wade through to separate the wheat from the chaff in order to get things done.

A note about your posts:
https://mabimods.net/index.php?topic=14126.msg240021#msg240021 Was posted on: May 15, 2015, 08:44:59 PM

Then you posted on: May 15, 2015, 09:17:36 PM:
https://mabimods.net/index.php?topic=14126.msg240023#msg240023

You have a total of 7 posts as of this moment--2 of which are in reference to your concerns.  There's a window of barely over half an hour there on the posts I've referenced.  Yes... Hard as it may be for many I feel that patience is in order.  I'm sorry there's no answer yet, as it's being discussed and worked on.  We shall see...

Only the first post you listed is asking explicitly if anyone has found a solution for the problem -- the others were simply responses to your posts in order to clarify what you were referring to, since it had seemed like you were implying a solution was already on the last few pages of the thread. 

Anyway, all I know on this matter is that while I have Crackshield running but no Abyss.ini/modified ijl15.dll file, my client freezes up after I manually cancel boss room cutscene about 50% of the time.  Also, I have only experienced scooter lag while I had Abyss activated, and no lag yet with just Crackshield. However, I know people who are using Abyss & Crackshield without any issues and they are using Windows 8, which is the same OS I'm on.

[akumati]

Hey guys, just wanted to confirm here. I wanted to download abyss for the first time, but friends are telling me the recent patches are breaking it for now. Is this true?

[╰(　´◔　ω　◔ `)╯]

Hey guys, just wanted to confirm here. I wanted to download abyss for the first time, but friends are telling me the recent patches are breaking it for now. Is this true?

Read
a) the title
b) the last few pages of this thread

[FreedomPrince]

Hey guys, just wanted to confirm here. I wanted to download abyss for the first time, but friends are telling me the recent patches are breaking it for now. Is this true?

Yes that's true, and while reading the other pages helps.. don't be put off by the rude remarks from certain people here. It seems to happen a lot for some reason.

[Draconis.Pendragon]

Only the first post you listed is asking explicitly if anyone has found a solution for the problem -- the others were simply responses to your posts in order to clarify what you were referring to, since it had seemed like you were implying a solution was already on the last few pages of the thread. 

Anyway, all I know on this matter is that while I have Crackshield running but no Abyss.ini/modified ijl15.dll file, my client freezes up after I manually cancel boss room cutscene about 50% of the time.  Also, I have only experienced scooter lag while I had Abyss activated, and no lag yet with just Crackshield. However, I know people who are using Abyss & Crackshield without any issues and they are using Windows 8, which is the same OS I'm on.

Thank you for checking that and mentioning your OS.  This should help.  As you may have noticed, many others sporadically have this issue, as it's not consistent.  The other thing that probably hasn't been mentioned too much lately... Is that there's been a LOT of server lag, so bad to where when people open gachas or boxes they don't get the contents right away.  Others when during SMs have battle skill issues... Mob displacement and delays are common too.  This probably doesn't help Abyss or any other mods much either, as this is due to our servers in NA being DDOSed right now.  There was announcement about it awhile back with the last week and a half...

[Draconis.Pendragon]

Yes that's true, and while reading the other pages helps.. don't be put off by the rude remarks from certain people here. It seems to happen a lot for some reason.

Mind you I'm not defending anyone by any means.  I'm just making a point.  The people that are considered rude by some are established here and there are frequent flyers or active members of the community.  It's not out of place to expect others to read, after all it's an integral part of a forum. 

I do agree at times that some of us could be more helpful in some respects.  However, it can be very frustrating that when troubleshooting steps have been outlined by the founder/maintainer of Abyss and others that make mods see that others can't be troubled to read.    How we choose to take things and interpret things is a choice.  Which is why I proof read before I post and sometimes go back to clarify a bit. 

Time is valuable.  When people fail to at least by their own choosing to read or at least attempt to learn.  Then we're not really being contributing members of the community are we?  Then we're just being leeches.  While trying to help others when a person chooses not to read and attempt to learn and get a basic grasping of concepts... Well, this literally sucks the life right out of us.

Sorry, for the bluntness, but the truth needs to be said at times.  I'm open to helping others, but you must also be willing to help yourself.  This is when true learning can begin.  If one can't be troubled to learn at least some basic modding knowledge... Then why are you using mods?  The other question I wish to ask, is:  Why haven't you attempted to see where others are coming from?  To repeat one's self over and over again with the same knowledge and answers that are within the forums, or within the same thread, or even within the last few pages... well... "This is madness."  We're doing the same stuff and expecting different results.

[╰(　´◔　ω　◔ `)╯]

Yes that's true, and while reading the other pages helps.. don't be put off by the rude remarks from certain people here. It seems to happen a lot for some reason.

Only to the illiterate.

[Fl0rn]

There are a few flat out grumpy people in general though, that make me wonder why they still post on here if they're always that annoyed.

[Chacha]

More than likely, the culprit of these issues is CrackShield + Windows 8. That post that Step linked to (which amusingly, is from May 2013... two years ago...), I was also using Windows 8 back then when issues with CrackShield popped up. As Yiting put it, the issues seem to come up from how WER (Windows Error Reporting) in Windows 8 treats any uncaught exception. With the change of the Mabi game client to requiring Visual C++ 2010 (which completely broke Abyss), this is likely also having an impact on how CrackShield works.

At least, that's how I see things. I could be wrong, of course.

[NoLimit]

More than likely, the culprit of these issues is CrackShield + Windows 8. That post that Step linked to (which amusingly, is from May 2013... two years ago...), I was also using Windows 8 back then when issues with CrackShield popped up. As Yiting put it, the issues seem to come up from how WER (Windows Error Reporting) in Windows 8 treats any uncaught exception. With the change of the Mabi game client to requiring Visual C++ 2010 (which completely broke Abyss), this is likely also having an impact on how CrackShield works.

At least, that's how I see things. I could be wrong, of course.

This might not work but try running mabi in compatibility mode with windows 7 or under.

[Draconis.Pendragon]

More than likely, the culprit of these issues is CrackShield + Windows 8. That post that Step linked to (which amusingly, is from May 2013... two years ago...), I was also using Windows 8 back then when issues with CrackShield popped up. As Yiting put it, the issues seem to come up from how WER (Windows Error Reporting) in Windows 8 treats any uncaught exception. With the change of the Mabi game client to requiring Visual C++ 2010 (which completely broke Abyss), this is likely also having an impact on how CrackShield works.

At least, that's how I see things. I could be wrong, of course.

I'll look into disabling it to see... Windows Error Reporting also causes issues with some of my Music Creation software...

This might not work but try running mabi in compatibility mode with windows 7 or under.

This has mixed results... Doesn't hurt to try though.  The Windows Error Reporting is the big part however.  As this was redone in 8 vs 7.

[Draconis.Pendragon]

There are a few flat out grumpy people in general though, that make me wonder why they still post on here if they're always that annoyed.

Aye.  I try not to come across as such.  However, I'll always favor and lean towards someone that "actually" wants to learn and improve themselves in some way.  It shows on their part that they're trying.  Self improvement--this is almost always a good thing.

[akumati]

So this might be a stupid question regarding abyss, since this is the first time i've ever used it. I see that it requires crackshield to actually login with. This is fine and all, and I'll probably just leave it on at all times. However does this come with any negative side effects?

Would really suck if this thing got me wrecked by VAC on steam or something, or banned for some form of hacking in another game.

[Chacha]

So this might be a stupid question regarding abyss, since this is the first time i've ever used it. I see that it requires crackshield to actually login with. This is fine and all, and I'll probably just leave it on at all times. However does this come with any negative side effects?

Would really suck if this thing got me wrecked by VAC on steam or something, or banned for some form of hacking in another game.

If Valve banned you for using CrackShield on Mabi, you'd be the first known instance of that.

As far as I can recall, the only reported instances of anyone getting banned from Mabi for using CrackShield/Abyss was a few months back, where people were reported for having the infinite party window mod enabled.

Basically, don't do anything in-game publicly that makes it obvious you're modding (i.e. reading off others' power levels with the scouter).

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[akumati]

If Valve banned you for using CrackShield on Mabi, you'd be the first known instance of that.

As far as I can recall, the only reported instances of anyone getting banned from Mabi for using CrackShield/Abyss was a few months back, where people were reported for having the infinite party window mod enabled.

Basically, don't do anything in-game publicly that makes it obvious you're modding (i.e. reading off others' power levels with the scouter).

I was using Valve as an example, but yeah that would be an absolute nightmare if I got VAC'd. Yeah I was warned about the party window mod, and thankfully it was disabled by default.


And nice meme.

[storagemule]

I've always had party window mod on whenever I had abyss and I've never been banned for it. Don't know how true the rumors are, guess some guy was just super unlucky