The Unofficial Tiara's Moonshine Mod & Autobot

[Lady Playtime]

Delete data folder, poof, gone.

[Draconis.Pendragon]

I do but I just don't wanna reinstall =/ back when I just used abyss i uninstalled it everytime there was patching needed to be done, and when it finished i just reinstalled it
Not sure if UO tiara's handled the same way

Yes.  Update to the client files?  Then you need to re-install Tiara.  The installer itself checks when installing and asks if you wish to remove your data folder before proceeding.  This of course, you want to do.  The fortunate thing is, it remembers your choices so it just re-installs those same ones.  You do want to check to be sure.  To be fair, I wasn't a big fan of removing files repeatedly after every update, but I accepted that this is just the norm for working with mods of any sort.

[Draconis.Pendragon]

Updated to 221.0.0.1
Some minor fixes...
Added:

-Character Condition FX/Enhancements
-Bandits on Minimap Enhancement
-Treasure Hunter Guns Glow FX addition for Exploration
-Ancient Book Enhancement FX
-Easy View Dye Ampuoles Mod
-Easy View Book Pages Mod

[zeplic]

Requesting Bandit Radius similar to Poison Packs. It's unmatched and infinitely better for commerce so far versus the simple "large bandits"

- installer that doesn't crash on a reformatted windows 10

- Manual zip download

- Better descriptions on the installer per mod

- Explanation of why so many mods have a "1 , 2, 3, 4 "  .. etc

[Lady Playtime]

- Manual zip download

I second this ten thousand times over... and also for the ninth time because Shaggy is refusing to do the helpful thing. I refuse to use an installer when a zip is an infinitely better option.

[Draconis.Pendragon]

Requesting Bandit Radius similar to Poison Packs. It's unmatched and infinitely better for commerce so far versus the simple "large bandits"

This I have my own version of that I'm fine tuning.  I can check into adding it.

- installer that doesn't crash on a reformatted windows 10

This I'm not sure what causes this, but I use Windows 10 myself and have no issues as do many others, however I can understand this isn't everyone.  Those that use it that don't have issues probably have something you don't installed that's a dependency.

- Manual zip download

I second this ten thousand times over... and also for the ninth time because Shaggy is refusing to do the helpful thing. I refuse to use an installer when a zip is an infinitely better option.

I want this as well and had been maintaining it for some time when Shaggy was away, but it'd need some fine tuning.  I feel that not everyone likes installers and that it shouldn't be forced down everyone's throat.  This would allow greater exposure and allow for wider use.

- Better descriptions on the installer per mod

The tool tips were an attempt to address this.  When you say better descriptions...  What exactly do you mean by better?  Please elaborate and be detailed as this helps Shaggy to better understand where you're coming from.

- Explanation of why so many mods have a "1 , 2, 3, 4 "  .. etc

The mods themselves in the tooltips attempt to explain some of this by showing the directory structure and files.  Certain mods require more than one file to work correctly, if at all. 

All of the above answered is an attempt to understand and explain.  I've looked into other installers, including the one that the Professor uses.  However, some of what it uses isn't supported very well on newer OSes.  I personally feel that a bigger window is in order as this is the time of greater than 1024x768 at least... Also some re-skinning perhaps and shine it up a bit. 

[zeplic]

-requesting the laughing volume to be turned back up to max like good old times =]


Really though, thanks for taking the time to reply. Looking forward to your updates.

[Lady Playtime]

-requesting the laughing volume to be turned back up to max like good old times =]

... Requesting a dB increase above max, for the sake of hilarity.

[Draconis.Pendragon]

- installer that doesn't crash on a reformatted windows 10

This I'm not sure what causes this, but I use Windows 10 myself and have no issues as do many others, however I can understand this isn't everyone.  Those that use it that don't have issues probably have something you don't installed that's a dependency.

*In reference to this*
There's one main difference that I felt I should mention that to me makes all the difference in the world, but that's me and those that use it...  I use the latest KR security files that I test regularly to ensure normal functions work...   It stands to reason through common sense and logic that these "files" do work as intended, because they're already tested on a very similar client structure to our own.  KR has already done most of the work.  They update a LOT faster than they do here in NA by about 2 weeks and in some cases 2 months (Depending on what it is).  Beyond that, well... to each their own.  The bootup does take a bit longer, but the trade off of that for stability, lag reduction, and overall enjoyment increased can't even begin to be measured imho.

[The Proffessor]

-requesting the laughing volume to be turned back up to max like good old times =]

That laugh still haunts me to this day...lol

[sorydolimi]

First time using a Mabinogi mod, I installed the full installation. Auto secondary password worked. However, when press start from character selection screen, mabinogi closes with unexpected error. Any suggestions to fix?

[ShaggyZE]

if draconis wishes to make a .zip then that's up to him, it would be more work for him to upload, but i can add a link to the site for other versions to download in the same manner.

i might even make complete offline and online versions of the installer saying the installer can be extracted with 7zip thus not needing a .zip version but atm doing it this way would be incomplete since the installer is mixed online/offline content currently, but this is not a major issue to me, and only playtime would be the reason for me doing this, however i've learned throughout the years no matter what i do playtime is never satisfied.
(also their is one mod that uses the same file name/folder structure so it could not be included in a .zip and be applied automatically without a manual copy/paste/replace from some unused sub directory)

the only reason i used the installer was in respect to amaretto and as an attempt to solve problems for the less inclined an example of this would be that the latest installer will search for your mabinogi directory if it determines it's needed and the user agrees.

i have no intention of reverting back to the loud laugh, but i leave that to draconis as well.

as far as the installer crashing with windows 10, i also do not have that issue so unless i troubleshoot with those that do i can't replicate the issue.

i intend to make the description for each mod better, but it's a lot to go through and figuring out who deserves to be credited for the mods take time for the older mods that we reused, recoded and redistributed quite often, and then deciding which mods should be placed in which install category is another issue i've come across, but i was hoping i would get some suggestion and help from the community for this.

[zeplic]

I'm honestly speechless that you guys are not experiencing the installer crashing (at the end of the install, so like.. it fully installs but requires to be force closed) ..

I have double and triple checked dependencies, not only me but ALL of my close friends also experienced the same crash while running as an Admin. -- I'm beginning to wonder if installing Visual Studio or other programming tools as giving you guys a dependency you are unaware of that normal users like me would normally not have. (excluding the norms that , referencing draconis, ive verified i have, and always had)

I have only been adamant and more active with the community here as i want modding to be noob friendly like it used to be. Now it's a project to get a simple pack up and running again.. Poison pack has proven to be the easiest, but that said is lacking some features so .. I guess i find it silly that everybody isn't working together and making a more user friendly mod that includes ALL of your ideas and creations.. Each and every pack around here have incredible, unique features by their design and installation (if you can call it that) techniques.. I feel that working separately will continue to detriment the already barren community i've returned to..

I've mentioned it previously, but I'm in no way qualified to make such a thing myself or capable of even helping (unless you can think of something) ..! I'm a terrible programmer and all I'm really able to do is take things others have already made and hope to make them work again.  Current strategy: Motivate the respected modders and get the community to stop thinking of "Mods" as a bad word because of what happened in the past 



.. at the end of the day I guess what's most important is if anybody has a backup plan for if Blade decides to stop supporting abyss? Is anybody else capable? .. or willing? rather. I know several here are incredible and learned alot based off your time spent here.. but tend to keep your work private for reasons i really don't really agree with.

[ShaggyZE]

mod compilations, their way of being applied wither difficult or simple, and the members that contribute has changed a lot. i can't even count how many patchers like abyss and data folder compilations wither by installer, archived and compressed in .zip or .pack i've seen, tiara has been around as long as the game itself, so i wouldn't worry too much about the future of the modding community.

as far as putting everything together in one simple package, well that has been my goal and the professors goal, but as you have experienced with any advanced installer that gives you options in a gui, problems can and will occur and in some cases fixes for those problems aren't always applied as fast as the users want them to be done.
mine is based off a simple scripting language by the makers of winamp, their are no dependencies (what it may be launching at the end of the installation may have dependencies) so chances are it's a logic error in it's 10,000 lines of code or a software/hardware conflict with your pc, so that might not even be directly related to the installer.

however as i pointed out in my previous post, i do plan on adding a full .zip, .pack or installer that can be uncompressed via 7zip soon, so that will fix the problem for the people who want to pick through the folders manually due to having more time on their hands, paranoia, technical issues or whatever other beliefs they have on wanting to avoid the installer.

about a year ago a project like your wanting did start, but due to only have a few active people working on it and the time it was taking me to put each of uo tiara's mods into a new pkg form, it was halted.
that project is the reason uo tiara can now save it's previous mod choices and shows information about each mod and file, why it saves the information into the registry.
so that i (or anyone motivated with basic scripting knowledge) could gather all that information on mod names, file names, locations and so forth then place each mod correctly into this new package form

which is why the mods are numbered and file counts are provided so simple nested loops could be used to gather everything (obviously the information is incomplete due to having 450+ mods to do), but until their is enough programmers and motivation to startup the project again it will remain dormant.

btw abyss is based off many open source patchers from the past and .pack and data folders are not private, so i know of no mod here that is kept so private to the point a good programmer couldn't reverse the process, as for "private" mods that game break...
well anyone who knows how to work google can usually find the websites these are leaked to easy enough and even its mods have been open source long enough that any good programmer can keep it going as well, though i don't know anyone who has gained in the times it was public and allowed packet sending to the point noobs were causing enough havoc to have server data rolled back and mass banning, which is one of the many reasons you won't find them here.

[brians1477]

Someone please reply to help me out. Ever since I downloaded tiara pack my Mabinogi site never loads so I can't go to web shop or anything unless I do it from my phone or another computer that doesn't have the mod. Has anyone found a fix for this if yes may you please help me out thanks

[ShaggyZE]

tiara isn't responsible for causing that, i can go to the webshop just fine, if you have changed your mtu too low this can prevent housing board, webshop and their site from loading

[sora434]

Updated to v221. Deleted the old data folder and installed it. The end of installation said failed to extract abyss. I used the data packer and modified the new files and then tried to start the game from nexon launcher. Everytime i start it i get a white blank screen and then the game crashes.. Can anyone help me? i was doing just fine yesterday before i decided to update..

[ShaggyZE]

try downloading abyss manually and putting it in your mabinogi folder with client.exe and see if that helps

[sora434]

try downloading abyss manually and putting it in your mabinogi folder with client.exe and see if that helps

I just did that. Still crashes as soon as i launch the game from nexon launcher.

[zeplic]

Try the mabinogi Direct launcher (run as admin) its a file attached to the abyss thread (very bottom, literally its separate from the rest)

[Draconis.Pendragon]

Updated to v221. Deleted the old data folder and installed it. The end of installation said failed to extract abyss. I used the data packer and modified the new files and then tried to start the game from nexon launcher. Everytime i start it i get a white blank screen and then the game crashes.. Can anyone help me? i was doing just fine yesterday before i decided to update..

Try the mabinogi Direct launcher (run as admin) its a file attached to the abyss thread (very bottom, literally its separate from the rest)

Zeplic has the right idea.

I just did that. Still crashes as soon as i launch the game from nexon launcher.

Use a direct launch created shortcut with Admin rights, MabiDirectLaunch, or MabiLauncher Plus... but, under no circumstances unless you want a lot of headaches should you use the Nexon Launcher.   I tested this on my laptop (tonight) after I had a few experiences with it via other people.  What I found is this:  When you use the Nexon Launcher even after you manually put files there it reverts them and does NOT play nice with mods of any sort.  Really, the approach is the same many of the more experienced modders have always done.  They avoid the launching via the patcher like the plague and patch using PowerPatcher.  This is what I've been doing for some time now with no problems.  The error with Abyss extracting is sometimes Anti Virus related and part of it is script related.  Shaggy is looking into that as well as some other things. 

[sora434]

Oh thanks! Launching it directly instead of using nexon launcher seems to have done the trick!

[ShaggyZE]

i already changed the inataller to show wither the error with installing abyss happens when downloading or extracting and it displays the information, other then that their is nothing i can do about anything unknown from preventing extraction, the offline version will solve this problem due to not needing downloaded or extracted.
uo tiara also creates direct launch shortcuts to the desktop and start menu

[repovkorea]

Hi. I am wondering if its possible to use the older version of UO Tiara. The new one's good too but the font is.. eh.. xD ..

[Lady Playtime]

Hi. I am wondering if its possible to use the older version of UO Tiara. The new one's good too but the font is.. eh.. xD ..

Entirely possible to use old ones, but they aren't going to work as-is. You'll need to do some deleting, or updating possibly. Depending on what you're willing to go without, or want to keep.